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Fatal accident on U.S. 19 and Alderman Road
Tuesday, August 1, 2006

One of the two 18-year-olds in this Honda died and the other is in critical condition in the hospital.

One person is dead and three are in serious condition after a fatal accident occurred Tuesday morning on U.S. 19 and Alderman Road.

Trooper Larry Coggins said two cars were racing side by side at speeds in excess of 100 mph. They reached an intersection near U.S. 19 and Alderman, where one of the cars hit an SUV and flipped four or five times, ejecting the driver. Another vehicle had its roof completely sheared off.

FHP said two 18-year-olds were trapped in one of the vehicles, a Honda CRX, and there were a number of other vehicles involved in the accident. Troopers said one of the teens died on scene and the other was airlifted to Bayfront Medical Center in critical condition.

Inside the other car that was racing, an Isuzu, a 33-year-old man who was ejected and a 27-year-old woman were both taken to the hospital.

U.S. 19 northbound is closed at Nebraska Avenue. Southbound is open but moving cautiously. Motorists should use McMullen Booth Road or Belcher Road on the other side of Alderman.
 

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Robb said:
when will kids learn that these cars are death traps ???
Do you have any kind of empirical data to support that claim? Anything that clearly and irrevocably states that the CRX is more lethal in an accident than other cars, trucks, and SUVs manufactured and sold at the same time? Any government-mandated or manufacturer-initiated safety recalls because it was discovered that the CRX was a "death trap"? Or are you just regurgitating what you've heard others say?

Don't mean to jump on you personally, but I just get sick and tired of hearing people (even CRX enthusiasts) refer to our cars as "death traps". Let's face it: our CRXs had to pass the same safety and crash tests as any other mass-produced passenger car sold in the US during the same time. Note that I specifically said "car", because trucks and SUVs (which are usually listed as "light trucks" for safety and emissions regs) have to pass FAR less stringent tests.

I argue this with a good friend on a regular basis. He drives a Ford F-150 pickup, which he claims is far safer than my CRX. He claims that his is safer because it's bigger. Bigger is "safer" in his world. I point out that I'd rather have a small, nimble car with an alert driver that can actually AVOID an accident in the first place, rather that simply survive it in the worst case. Unfortunately, the insurance companies and federal and state governments don't really track near-accidents, the ones you DIDN'T have. I probably have at least one of those a month - usually due to someone in a "safe" SUV or truck pulling out in front of me, changing lanes into me, or running a red light in front of me. I guess if you're one of those people for whom driving is a distraction from putting on makeup, eating, impressing your fellow motorists with your impeccable musical taste, or talking on the phone, then you'd probably be "safer" in a giant truck - but the rest of us sure as hell wouldn't be. Unless, of course, we have a small, nimble car like a CRX, the ability to use it correctly, and the belief that driving is probably the most dangerous thing we'll do today, so we'd better damn well pay attention!

[Rant over]

Mike
 

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Kwicko said:
I argue this with a good friend on a regular basis. He drives a Ford F-150 pickup, which he claims is far safer than my CRX. He claims that his is safer because it's bigger. Bigger is "safer" in his world. I point out that I'd rather have a small, nimble car with an alert driver that can actually AVOID an accident in the first place, rather that simply survive it in the worst case. Unfortunately, the insurance companies and federal and state governments don't really track near-accidents, the ones you DIDN'T have. I probably have at least one of those a month - usually due to someone in a "safe" SUV or truck pulling out in front of me, changing lanes into me, or running a red light in front of me. I guess if you're one of those people for whom driving is a distraction from putting on makeup, eating, impressing your fellow motorists with your impeccable musical taste, or talking on the phone, then you'd probably be "safer" in a giant truck - but the rest of us sure as hell wouldn't be. Unless, of course, we have a small, nimble car like a CRX, the ability to use it correctly, and the belief that driving is probably the most dangerous thing we'll do today, so we'd better damn well pay attention!

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Mike
I've had the same arguments with some family members, I couldn't agree more!
 

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wow i hate stupid people in rex's.

as far as our cars being less safe. no matter what people say being in a smaller car is less safe. if something bigger comes around we will be crushed from the top. if somthing comes from the side we will spin more than a truck would. although back then we did pass the same safety tests i'm sure there is still a lack of safety. i'm not sure if i'm making sense but i'm sure you get the picture.
 

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MarkWilliamson said:
...by NHTSA that states that the safest cars, statistically, are the light ones that are the most nimble and have good brakes. Sound like a car we know? :D
The unofficial feeling of Car & Driver magazine for years was that the best safety equipment was the active accident avoidance variety.

Then, two of their editors got in accidents within a few months of each other. The circumstances of both wrecks left it "impossible" to do anything but wait for the impact. One was sitting at a stop light and was hit...I think the other was in traffic with their line of escape suddenly gone. Or something to that effect. But both felt that (a) they did absolutely nothing wrong and (b) there was nothing they could have done anyway.

So they had a discussion and wrote an editorial on why they were changing their position to include passive systems and good impact/accident ratings.

I can't help but think of Ricky Crow's motorcycle accident. Here is someone that drives like they should have been in an accident several times over. But he gets hit from behind while waiting for a stoplight to turn green. A soccer mon in a minivan "just didn't see him" while approaching the intersection and switched into his lane at the last second.
 

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Savage said:
as far as our cars being less safe. no matter what people say being in a smaller car is less safe. if something bigger comes around we will be crushed from the top. if somthing comes from the side we will spin more than a truck would. although back then we did pass the same safety tests i'm sure there is still a lack of safety. i'm not sure if i'm making sense but i'm sure you get the picture.
No doubt that in an actual accident/crash our little cars will fare worse than something bigger, but what we're saying is that we can/have avoided numerous accidents than we might not have (or had a less severe ones) than had we been in a bigger less agile vehicle.
 

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USCR media release

MUARC crash reports

There's more, but I don't have time for an in-depth search at this time.

Summary: Our cars fare pretty well for an ols monocoque design. (wich was revolutionary back then)
But it's still an old car compared to current safety standards. Standards were low then, and it wasn't one of the best out there even back in the day.

I've seen some friends in pretty bad accidents and walk away. One of them steered his VT through the brick wall of a house at speed, and another rolled it twice in a field. Both of them walked away with minor bumps and bruises.

On the other side I've seen crxes crumpled up to the backrest when hit from behind. Good to know we EDM'ers have a seat back there.
In order to make most crashes involving other vehicles survivable, we'll need a rollbar, or a minor form of cage.

I've been wanting one for years. Only thing holding me back is money. Although it would be money well spent.
 

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SETI20 said:
we'll need a rollbar, or a minor form of cage.

I've been wanting one for years. Only thing holding me back is money. Although it would be money well spent.
i fully agree... irregardless of how many accidents avoided, it only takes 1 bad one to seal the deal...

i was considering a cage till i found out it was illegal, but i'd love to figure out some method to prevent me from getting toasted if i was T-Boned...

my cousin lost her ability to walk due to something like this in a newer civic (4 dr. EK if i'm not mistaken) and she was in the rear passenger seat...
 

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Oh my....

that was a crx????

Look at it like this:
anyone who drives so badly they could kill themselves, they could do it in any car. I think driving skills and keeping in mind what kind of care you drive are more important then the car. Of course in the end, whenever anything happens, you are happy with anything that can safe your life, and body.
 

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Not neccesarily true.
What would be just a wreck where you walk away from in a volvo, could hurt you bad, or possibly even kill you in a CRX or an MR2.

I can't help but think sometimes when I see someone skidding to a halt with terror in it's eyes "this might hurt a bit".
All they think will be "where'd he come from?"

....either that or "d'oh!"
 

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Ok well I went to http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc/reports/muarc248.pdf
The link that SETI20 posted and found this clear list of top 72 most dangerous sports cars:

Sports Cars:
The specific models were (in order of estimated risk of serious driver injury in a crash, from highest to lowest):
1-Daihatsu Hi-Jet (1982-1990)
2-Suzuki Alto (1985-2000)
3-Mitsubishi Starion (1982-1987)
4-Daihatsu Mira (1990-1996)
5-Holden / Suzuki Scurry / Carry (1982-2000)
6-Suzuki Mighty Boy (1985-1988)
7-Suzuki Hatch / Alto (1982-1984)
8-Hyundai Getz (2002-2004)
9-Subaru Sherpa / Fiori / 700 / Rex (1989-1992)
10-Daihatsu Handivan (1982-1990)
11-Suzuki Swift (1982-1985)
12-A12lfa Romeo GTV (1982-1984)
13-Nissan Exa (1983-1986)
14-Daihatsu Charade (1982-1986)
15-Mitsubishi Starwagon / L300 (1983-1986)
16-Toyota MR2 (1987-1990)
17-Nissan NX/NX-R (1991-1996)
18-Holden / Suzuki Barina / Swift / Cultus (1986-1988)
19-Honda City (1983-1986)
20-Volkswagen Golf (1982-1994)
21-Nissan Micra (1995-1997)
22-Daihatsu Rocky / Rugger (1985-1998)
23-Subaru Brumby (1982-1992)
24-Holden Shuttle / WFR Van (1982-1987)
25-Hyundai Coupe (1996-2000)
26-Honda CRX (1987-1991)
27-Hyundai Excel (1986-1990)
28-Toyota Supra (1982-1990)
29-Daihatsu Charade (1988-1992)
30-Honda Civic / Ballade / Shuttle (1984-1987)
31-Daihatsu Charade (1993-2000)
32-Ford Festiva WD/WH/WF (1994-2001)
33-Ford / Mazda Festiva WA / 121 (1987-1990)
34-Holden / Nissan Astra / Pulsar / Langley (1984-1986)
35-Nissan Gazelle / Silvia (1984-1986)
36-Daewoo Espero (1995-1997)
37-Mitsubishi Mirage / Colt (1982-1988)
38-Mitsubishi Cordia (1983-1987)
39-Holden Gemini RB (1986-1987)
40-Holden / Suzuki Barina / Swift / Cultus (1989-1999)
41-Toyota Hiace/Liteace (1982-1986)
42-Toyota Tarago (1983-1989)
43-Mazda RX7 (1982-1985)
44-Holden WB Series (1982-1985)
45-Ford / Mazda Laser / 323 / Familia (1982-1988)
46-Holden / Suzuki Drover / Sierra / Samurai / SJ410 / SJ413 (1982-1999)
47-Holden Gemini (1982-1984)
48-Ford Capri (1989-1994)
49-Hyundai Excel (1990-1994)
50-Holden Camira (1982-1989)
51-Hyundai S Coupe (1990-1996)
52-Mitsubishi Starwagon / Delica Starwagon (1987-1993)
53-Nissan Bluebird (1982-1986)
54-Honda Accord (1982-1985)
55-Daewoo Lanos (1997-2003)
56-Toyota Corolla (1982-1984)
57-Honda Civic (1982-1983)
58-Hyundai Excel / Accent (1995-2000)
59-Toyota Starlet (1996-1999)
60-Toyota Corolla (1986-1988)
61-Hyundai Accent (2000-2004)
62-Holden / Nissan Astra / Pulsar / Vector / Sentra (1988-1990)
63-Toyota Hiace/Liteace (1987-1989)
64-Holden Barina SB (1995-2000)
65-Subaru 1800 / Leone / Omega / 4WD Wagon (1982-1993)
66-Honda Civic / Shuttle (1988-1991)
67-Toyota Corona (1982-1988)
68-Mitsubishi Sigma / Galant / Sapporo / Lambda (1982-1984)
69-Holden Commodore VB-VL (1982-1988)
70-Nissan / Ford Pintara / Corsair / Bluebird (1989-1992)
71-Toyota / Holden Corolla / Nova (1989-1993)
72-Mitsubishi Magna TM/TN/TP / Sigma / V3000 (1985-1990)[/b]
 

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In what world would you consider a Nissan Micra, Toyota Corolla, or a Ford Festiva to be a Sports Car??? They don't know what they are talking about.

In my opinion, the #1 biggest contributing factor to the safety of a vehicle is the driver. Inexpensive sports cars tend to attract inexperience and/or young drivers. It is also true that sports cars tend to attract more aggressive, risk-taking drivers. The way you drive is more important than what you drive in determining your risk for living or dying in a vehicle accident.
 
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