Super great write up I can never remember this info... It is nice to have it here as a sticky. . .
Good Job Stickershop/ /
Good Job Stickershop/ /
D-Series Clutch and Gear Ratio information
D-Series Gear Ratio information
88-91 CRX Si
1st 3.250
2nd 1.894
3rd 1.259
4th 0.937
5th 0.771
Final Drive 4.250
88-91 CRX DX
1st 3.250
2nd 1.894
3rd 1.259
4th 0.937
5th 0.771
Final Drive 3.888 (88 DX: 3.722)
88-91 CRX HF
1st 3.250
2nd 1.650
3rd 1.033
4th 0.823
5th 0.694
Final Drive 2.954 (3.250 in California)
88-91 CRX ZC DOHC (JDM)
1st 3.250
2nd 1.944
3rd 1.346
4th 1.033
5th 0.878
Final Drive 3.888
90-93 Integra ZC SOHC (JDM)
1st 3.250
2nd 1.894
3rd 1.259
4th 0.937
5th 0.771
Final Drive 4.250
90-93 Integra ZXi ZC SOHC (JDM)
1st 3.250
2nd 1.894
3rd 1.259
4th 0.937
5th 0.771
Final Drive 4.437
Identifying a transmission by visual inspection
All CRX transmissions will be labeled as being an L3 transmission. The number of rings (grooves) on the input shaft tell you which year that it is from. 0 rings = '88, 1 ring = '89, 2 rings = '90-'91
To identify which type of gear set it has, you can use the stampings on the outside of tranny case, just above the fill hole. There is a round stamp with some numbers/letters. All these do is specify bearing sizes. The Si usually had larger bearings and this is reflected by a code of PL3/3000 and sometimes 9000. If it says PL3/A100, the tranny has smaller bearings and is probably a DX, or HF model. I say "usually" and "probably" because Honda did produce some small bearing Si transmissions. If the round stamp is blank, it's an '88 transmission and you cannot determine the gearset by this method.
DOHC ZC transmissions use a larger differential with thicker axles. You can identify them by the larger hole where the axles plug into the differential.
Identifying a transmission by mathematical calculation
By placing the transmission in 5th gear and turning the input shaft 10 times and measuring how many times the differential rotates, you can theoretically figure out which transmission you have from the following equation:
10 / (5th gear ratio) / (Final drive ratio) = (# of turns of the differential)
Examples:
CRX HF
10 / .694 / 3.250 = 4.43 turns of the differential
CRX DX
10 / .771 / 3.888 = 3.34 turns of the differential
CRX Si
10 / .771 / 4.25 = 3.05 turns of the differential
DOHC ZC
10 / .878 / 3.888 = 2.93 turns of the differential
SOHC ZC (same gearing as CRX Si)
10 / .771 / 4.25 = 3.05 turns of the differential
SOHC ZC ZXi
10 / .771 / 4.437 = 2.92 turns of the differential
Obviously this method doesn't help you differentiate the normal DOHC ZC transmission from the SOHC ZC ZXi transmission, so you will also need to do a test in 1st gear.
10 / (1st gear ratio) / (Final drive ratio) = (# of turns of the differential)
Examples:
DOHC ZC
10 / 3.250 / 3.888 = 0.79 turns of the differential
SOHC ZC ZXi
10 / 3.250 / 4.437 = 0.69 turns of the differential
D-Series Clutch information
88 CRX (all) 190 mm clutch/21 splines
89 CRX (all) 200 mm clutch/20 splines
90-91 CRX (all) 212mm clutch/20 splines
88-91 CRX Si
1st 3.250
2nd 1.894
3rd 1.259
4th 0.937
5th 0.771
Final Drive 4.250
88-91 CRX DX
1st 3.250
2nd 1.894
3rd 1.259
4th 0.937
5th 0.771
Final Drive 3.888 (88 DX: 3.722)
88-91 CRX HF
1st 3.250
2nd 1.650
3rd 1.033
4th 0.823
5th 0.694
Final Drive 2.954 (3.250 in California)
88-91 CRX ZC DOHC (JDM)
1st 3.250
2nd 1.944
3rd 1.346
4th 1.033
5th 0.878
Final Drive 3.888
90-93 Integra ZC SOHC (JDM)
1st 3.250
2nd 1.894
3rd 1.259
4th 0.937
5th 0.771
Final Drive 4.250
90-93 Integra ZXi ZC SOHC (JDM)
1st 3.250
2nd 1.894
3rd 1.259
4th 0.937
5th 0.771
Final Drive 4.437
Identifying a transmission by visual inspection
All CRX transmissions will be labeled as being an L3 transmission. The number of rings (grooves) on the input shaft tell you which year that it is from. 0 rings = '88, 1 ring = '89, 2 rings = '90-'91
To identify which type of gear set it has, you can use the stampings on the outside of tranny case, just above the fill hole. There is a round stamp with some numbers/letters. All these do is specify bearing sizes. The Si usually had larger bearings and this is reflected by a code of PL3/3000 and sometimes 9000. If it says PL3/A100, the tranny has smaller bearings and is probably a DX, or HF model. I say "usually" and "probably" because Honda did produce some small bearing Si transmissions. If the round stamp is blank, it's an '88 transmission and you cannot determine the gearset by this method.
DOHC ZC transmissions use a larger differential with thicker axles. You can identify them by the larger hole where the axles plug into the differential.
Identifying a transmission by mathematical calculation
By placing the transmission in 5th gear and turning the input shaft 10 times and measuring how many times the differential rotates, you can theoretically figure out which transmission you have from the following equation:
10 / (5th gear ratio) / (Final drive ratio) = (# of turns of the differential)
Examples:
CRX HF
10 / .694 / 3.250 = 4.43 turns of the differential
CRX DX
10 / .771 / 3.888 = 3.34 turns of the differential
CRX Si
10 / .771 / 4.25 = 3.05 turns of the differential
DOHC ZC
10 / .878 / 3.888 = 2.93 turns of the differential
SOHC ZC (same gearing as CRX Si)
10 / .771 / 4.25 = 3.05 turns of the differential
SOHC ZC ZXi
10 / .771 / 4.437 = 2.92 turns of the differential
Obviously this method doesn't help you differentiate the normal DOHC ZC transmission from the SOHC ZC ZXi transmission, so you will also need to do a test in 1st gear.
10 / (1st gear ratio) / (Final drive ratio) = (# of turns of the differential)
Examples:
DOHC ZC
10 / 3.250 / 3.888 = 0.79 turns of the differential
SOHC ZC ZXi
10 / 3.250 / 4.437 = 0.69 turns of the differential
D-Series Clutch information
88 CRX (all) 190 mm clutch/21 splines
89 CRX (all) 200 mm clutch/20 splines
90-91 CRX (all) 212mm clutch/20 splines
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No problem. If anyone thinks of any more information that should be posted up here. Let me know and I'll add it.
Quick note/clarification: the '88 DX final drive is different from the '89-'91 DXs; it's a 3.722 final. Possibly the '88 ZC has the same difference...
Mike
Mike
I imagine that the ZC would follow suit since the spline count differences apply to the 88 ZC as well. Do you know of any websites that verify the 3.722 final drive for 88 DX's? I found one...i just want to verify. http://www.geocities.com/chipman_13/clippings.htmlKwicko said:Quick note/clarification: the '88 DX final drive is different from the '89-'91 DXs; it's a 3.722 final. Possibly the '88 ZC has the same difference...
Mike
No websites - just my trusty old '88 Factory Service Manual.
Good enough for me! Thanks!Kwicko said:No websites - just my trusty old '88 Factory Service Manual.
Final Drive is 2.95 for 5 Speed 48 State88-91 CRX HF
1st 3.250
2nd 1.650
3rd 1.033
4th 0.823
5th 0.694
Final Drive 3.250
Does someone have a scan of the HF stats from the Factory Service Manual to back this up? If so, I'll make the change to the info.bluecrxnc said:Final Drive is 2.95 for 5 Speed 48 State88-91 CRX HF
1st 3.250
2nd 1.650
3rd 1.033
4th 0.823
5th 0.694
Final Drive 3.250
I don't have the FSM to show you for this. If I did I'd post it in a heartbeat.stickershop said:Does someone have a scan of the HF stats from the Factory Service Manual to back this up? If so, I'll make the change to the info.
I own a 89 CRX HF that was virgin until I opened it and swapped in better gearing. The 3.25 Final you show for the HF is the CALIFORNIA version of the HF
TEETH COUNT
88-91 CRX HF:
1st: 3.250 = xx Counter / xx Main
2nd: 1.650 = xx Counter / xx Main
3rd: 1.033 = xx Counter / xx Main
4th: 0.823 = xx Counter / xx Main
5th: 0.694 = 25 Counter / 36 Main
Final: 2.954 (48 States) = 65 Diff Ring / 22 Counter
OTHERS (Owned these transmissions as well)
88-91 CRX DX:
Final: 3.88 = 70 Diff Ring / 18 Counter
88-91 CRX Si:
5th: 0.771 = 27 Counter / 35 Main
Final: 4.25 = 68 Diff Ring / 16 Counter
ZC - JDM DOHC Si:
Final: 3.88 = 70 Diff Ring / 18 Counter
Integra ZXi Final is 4.4375 (I have this final drive in my car as we speak)
The Manual has not been perfect in the past. There are typos here and there in most printed works in history. Someone knows this. Back me up.
Others who show the HF (48 State) as 2.95
http://www.effinmotorworks.com/Effin_site_Files/parts.htm
http://www.knology.net/~jediklc/gearratiosdseries.htm
I did not know the 88 clutch disk was smaller than the 89... very interesting
Yep, I went through all that about a month ago or so. Upgraded the disk from 190m to 212mm.rex2nr said:I did not know the 88 clutch disk was smaller than the 89... very interesting
I knew the 89's were 200, and the 90-00's were 212, I upgraded too. But that could explain the issues with my friend's car
Here is a site where you can figure out different gear combinations and what MPH will result :arrow: http://crx.honda-perf.org/math/index.html
I just picked up a ZXi LSD tranny. I WAS under the assumption that it had a 4.43 FD but had the ZC gearset. Soooo I will be installing the ZC 3 & 4th gearset that I have. I had heard that it COULD have a ZC gearset, andybody ever hear of that?
I guess I can just count the turns in third and fourth.
Stickershop, you have the ZXi diff, how is it? Which gearset do you have?
I guess I can just count the turns in third and fourth.
Stickershop, you have the ZXi diff, how is it? Which gearset do you have?
The JDM Teg ZXi tranny I got was all DX/Si gears with a 4.4375 final.
Never heard of it coming with the better 3rd & 4th
Never heard of it coming with the better 3rd & 4th
ZXi Ratios:
1st 3.250
2nd 1.894
3rd 1.259
4th .937
5th .771
So the ZXi had Si ratios with the 4.437 FD. My plan is to use the ZC 3rd and 4th gear. I'm wondering if the trans case will need to be clearanced like the Si trans.
Using the ZC 3rd and 4th will yeild an awesome setup and I'd like to get an HF fifth(if anybody has one please PM me)
I calculated what the ratios would do in 10 turns with the ZXi/ZC hybrid compared to the Si and the ZC:
ZXi trans / ZC trans / Si trans / ZXi/ZC hybrid / Type R(for reference)
1st .69 / .79 / .72 / .69 / .70
2nd 1.19 / 1.32 / 1.24 / 1.16 / 1.08
3rd 1.79 / 1.91 / 1.87 / 1.67 / 1.56
4th 2.41 / 2.49 / 2.51 / 2.18 / 2.05
5th 2.92 / 2.93 / 2.93 / 3.25 / 2.68
As you can see, the hybrid trans is about the best D-series trans you can assembkle with stock parts. I plan on using 205/60/13 tires as well, which should give me as close to Type R gearing as I can get.
using the HF fifth should be perfect for the highway to get me to events without spinning 4500rpm the whole way.
1st 3.250
2nd 1.894
3rd 1.259
4th .937
5th .771
So the ZXi had Si ratios with the 4.437 FD. My plan is to use the ZC 3rd and 4th gear. I'm wondering if the trans case will need to be clearanced like the Si trans.
Using the ZC 3rd and 4th will yeild an awesome setup and I'd like to get an HF fifth(if anybody has one please PM me)
I calculated what the ratios would do in 10 turns with the ZXi/ZC hybrid compared to the Si and the ZC:
ZXi trans / ZC trans / Si trans / ZXi/ZC hybrid / Type R(for reference)
1st .69 / .79 / .72 / .69 / .70
2nd 1.19 / 1.32 / 1.24 / 1.16 / 1.08
3rd 1.79 / 1.91 / 1.87 / 1.67 / 1.56
4th 2.41 / 2.49 / 2.51 / 2.18 / 2.05
5th 2.92 / 2.93 / 2.93 / 3.25 / 2.68
As you can see, the hybrid trans is about the best D-series trans you can assembkle with stock parts. I plan on using 205/60/13 tires as well, which should give me as close to Type R gearing as I can get.
using the HF fifth should be perfect for the highway to get me to events without spinning 4500rpm the whole way.
1988 HF = 2.95 FD
1989-1991 HF = 3.25 FD
1989-1991 HF = 3.25 FD
Thanks MistaBone for the clarification.
But my 89 HF was 2.95... sure it's not 88/89 vs 90/91? Could be I got an odd ball. Did have '89 Mainshaft, one previous owner before me.
But my 89 HF was 2.95... sure it's not 88/89 vs 90/91? Could be I got an odd ball. Did have '89 Mainshaft, one previous owner before me.
Looks like Honda might have changed it mid year and not told anyone.
I've had a 88 2.95 and 89 3.25 HF.........
I've had a 88 2.95 and 89 3.25 HF.........
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