[shorte]

Anyone got any home remedys? I thought I'd passsed them friday night, thought wrong. They're back with a vengence.
Been drinking lemon juice, was told that the citric acid in it helps disolve them some.
I don't have insurance so a trip to the ER or Dr. is a last resort. :evil:

 

[RamaCrx]

Anyone got any home remedys? I thought I'd passsed them friday night, thought wrong. They're back with a vengence.
Been drinking lemon juice, was told that the citric acid in it helps disolve them some.
I don't have insurance so a trip to the ER or Dr. is a last resort. :evil:

Drink plenty of fluids and try to flush it out. Nothing disolves the stones. You can prevent stones but it depends on the type of stone. If uric acid stones, then a medicaition to lower uric acid. Calcium oxylate stones, SOL. Drinking lemon juice to alter Ph I am afraid will do little. Lithotripsy (sound wave), retrieval with "basket" by urologist, stents, are options that are needed at times.

Bottom line, if the pain is severe, go to the ed for relief and pay them off over 20 years. It is probably the worst pain around. Worry about the money later.

 

[Dodo]

Sorry to hear it man. If the pain gets to where you cant move, you need to go to the hospital. Other then that, drink lots of water, and i mean alot.

 

[stick]

I feel your pain, man. I made a post on here about my miserable experience with kidney stones last year.

http://crxcommunity.com/viewtopic.php?t=49

There is no way to dissolve stones once they have already formed. The only way to make passing them easier is to get the sonic wave bath at a hospital. They sit you in a tub and vibrate the crap out of you with sound waves that are tuned to a frequency that shatters the stones into smaller bits. Even then, they'll still cut the crap out of you on the way out.

The advice my doctor gave me to prevent further stones was this:

DO:
-Drink the recommended amount of water per day for your body size. For me that's about 6 - 8 glasses. (I'm 240 lbs).
-Reduce salt intake to an absolute minimum possible.
-Take a complete vitamin supplement pill each day to make sure that you don't have any vitamin deficiencies.
-Increase insoluble fiber (wheat bran) intake. (I eat All bran cereal for breakfast every day...sometimes I mix it in with other cereal to make it more enjoyable).

DON'T:
-Drink carbonated beverages. (dehydrating)
-Drink Alcohol (dehydrating)
-Consume anything with caffeine in it. (because it dehydrates you and strips your body of vitamins)
-Add salt to your food.
-Eat excessive amounts of protein. (Uric Acid stones often come from eating too much protein and not enough fiber)
-Drink excessive amounts of fluids. Your kidneys are fragile right now. Over drinking can damage them.

The above list of suggestions are harsh...but they come from a doctor's perspective. Obviously, I still drink alcohol...but I'm not drinking as much as I was before. I'm trying to eliminate carbonated and caffeinated beverages from my diet, but I still have one now and then. I've also reduced my salt intake considerably, but I still put salt on my french fries. Start with things you know you won't miss as badly, and then go from there.

 

[ComposiMo]

Another very good friend here is going through the same thing. Just got out of surgery very recently, and is recovering from the 'invasive' recovery of the stones...

Get well soon Jonny_Black! You're da man, you know that! 8)

 

[RamaCrx]

The advice my doctor gave me to prevent further stones was this:
The above list of suggestions are harsh...but they come from a doctor's perspective. Obviously, I still drink alcohol...but I'm not drinking as much as I was before. I'm trying to eliminate carbonated and caffeinated beverages from my diet, but I still have one now and then. I've also reduced my salt intake considerably, but I still put salt on my french fries. Start with things you know you won't miss as badly, and then go from there.

Your advice is only true with qualification. I AM a physician! Drinking plenty of fluid is for all stones. 2 quarts of non alcoholic liquid a day is the MINIMUM.
I am not sure what fiber would do other than make you more regular. Vitamins are fine but lets say you had a calcium disorder, the Vit D may make you worse.
Unless you know what kind of stone it is urate or not its hard to give specific dietary advice. In my exerience most stones are not urate stones. Thats not to say you doctor was wrong with you when giving advice, but it was intended for you, not everyone.

Richie[/quote]

 

[stick]

It's interesting that even with qualification, advice under exact circumstances can vary so much from one physician to another. He never mentioned anything about calcium disorders or Vitamin D. I guess that's why it's always a good idea to get a second opinion...or third, or fourth. 8) I was merely passing on exactly what my doctor told me. He was unable to determine what type of stones that I had as none were recovered, so he basically told me he was giving me advice to cover all possibilities and play it safe until they could determine a specific diagnosis for the stones.

 

[SETI20]

...and is recovering from the 'invasive' recovery of the stones...

ouchhhh

 

[ryan_long_01]

There are some things that no man should have to endure, and passing a sharp, jagged stone from a senitive location is one of them.

Without insurance, I'd avoid the Emergency Room (too expensive) and hit up a doc-in-the-box, aka a walk-in clinic. Those places only charge like $50 or $100, so you won't be in debt to the hospital that way. At least that way you can get some pain medication and some professional advice without spending a couple grand.

 

[RamaCrx]

It's interesting that even with qualification, advice under exact circumstances can vary so much from one physician to another.

The reality is that dietary treatment of renal stones is very limited. Perhaps the fiber was to conteract the constipation the narcotics were giving you. Some people take all advice to heart, most only follow it partially. Same is true with prescription meds especially for long term conditions. I'd say we have a better chance people on this board changing their oil regularly then taking their bp meds!

In any case, if he is in a lot of pain or persistant blood in the urine, he needs to seek medical attention. Those who live in Canada have a great resource with national medical care. I wish it would be the same here.

Hope you feel better fella!

 

[stick]

Perhaps the fiber was to conteract the constipation the narcotics were giving you.

EDIT: I initially took this the wrong way. However, he was refering to narcotic pain killers, such as codeine (tylenol 3) and others. Not illicit substances.

I am only relaying information that was given to me. I am not claiming the information to be truth...nor am I claiming to be a physician. I'm just trying to be helpful by offering information from my experience.

Doing a simple search on the web of kidney stones and fiber comes up with a number of resources explaining the benefits of consuming high-fiber plant foods (such as wheat or rice bran) for patients with either Calcium Oxalate or Struvite stones. These foods contain phytate, which prevents the crystallization of calcium salts (both oxylate and phosphate)

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=kid ... iber&meta=

 

[Charles]

Mana\, Shorte, I feel for you. You need to get to a doc-in-the-box. Get professional advice. The ER is overkill. Or just go to a urologist (even if they make you feel like a leper for not having insurance).

Get some pain meds or I can send you some overnight from here.
:lol:

 

[SETI20]

What makes someone more succeptable to kidney stones?
Plenty of people have been drinking coffee all their lives, without much ill-effects on that part.

 

[Charles]

Genetics.

 

[crxsquared]

To quote my least favorite ex-President, "I feel yer pain!"

Seriously, I know all too much about kidney stones (past experience). Get yourself some codeine to kill the pain until they (hopefully) pass. Drink lots of water to flush your system and in the future start drinking cranberry juice (good for Urinary system health). It works for my wife whom has an attack if she quits the cb juice.

I get a small stone every five or so years now. Used to be several a year when I lived in the Midwest, but after moving away from that part of the country, haven't had a serious re-occurance. Probably something in the water, high mineral content?

If the stone(s) doesn't pass, the only real alternatives are the Lithotriptor or surgery, preferably the minimally-invasive kind (BTW, I worked on some of the endoscopic instruments used for this stuff when I was a design engineer with a J&J division. Ah, the "fun" of testing new instruments in the Cadaver Lab. A little Vicks Vap-o-Rub under the nose and you don't notice the smell of formaldehyde or decay at all....)

 

[Charles]

I love Wikipedia.

 

[Charles]

Oh, and no sex for at least 6 months, Shorte.

 

[SETI20]

WHAT!?

 

[Charles]

:lol:

 

[shorte]

Both my parents have had them so I guess it was just a matter of time...

Funny that I'd get them after improving my diet :rolleyes1:

I've tried taking vicodin that I have left over from a tooth pull, they suck. Didn't help the pain one bit and they GIVE me a headache later

Saturday was decent.
Sunday was kinda close to as bad as friday, Worked from 11am-5:15pm pain started getting bad around 3 and didn't go away completly till midnight. (was supposed to work till 1am)
Today/Monday was ok till around 8pm, still worked till midnight though. and feel mostly ok now.

Oh, and no sex for at least 6 months, Shorte.

Is that really true? (not that it looks like that will be a problem)

Get some pain meds or I can send you some overnight from here.

That sounds illegal.....but tempting..

Depending on how the next day or so goes I'm gonna decide about seeing a doc.

Thanks yall