[Savage]

so i'm almost 100% sure i'm going to go all motor ls-vtec. so here is the list of everything going into it let me know if i'm missing anything (anything i want a 100% list of everthing i need including the swap parts) oh and i'm wondering if i need to bore and sleeve if i want to make upwards of 230 hp.

b18 block
crank balanced knife edged
pct (ctr) piston
eagle H beam rods
(i dont' know what brand) heavy duty rod bolts
(i don't know what type of HG) high compression head gasket
arp head studs
golden eagle oil feed kit
B16a head
P&P
possibly buddy club spec V cams
" " valves
valve guides
retainers
springs
5 angle valve grind
ITR intake manifold
Hondata intake manifold gasket
ITR LMA

ITR oil pump
ITR timing belt
ITR water pump

obd1 b16 ecu
obd1 tune (don't know what to use)

accesories
AEM C.A.I.
Dc-sports header
invidia cat back
ngk spark plugs

b16 lsd cable tranny
exedy organic clutch
fidanza lightweight fly wheel

motor mounts
half shaft
axles

 

[baker_jeff]

You will have to chip the ECU and tune it with Crome or similar.

 

[Savage]

ic ic.

 

[Savage]

update

bought 2 b18a1 engines with knocking head with good bottom ends for 350$

 

[baker_jeff]

Heads don't knock... they would tick. Its the bottom end that knocks... :?

 

[downest]

The head on my sister's MX-6 knocked... when the cam snapped.

 

[baker_jeff]

 

[lessonsinspeed]

The head on my sister's MX-6 knocked... when the cam snapped.

:doh: :jawdrop:

 

[Savage]

hopefully theyr'e ok maybe i didn't pay attention to what he said. going to pick them up tomorow the next step is to buy all the parts for my bottom end.
do you guys think i should sleeve my block to +84 mm and find some different high compression pistons. or just leave stock bore and sleeve.

acl rod bearings
eagle h beam rods maybe I beams instead not sure yet. (opinions please)
high comp pistons
arp rod bolts
ls 2 layer headgasket
balance blueprint bottom end
arp headstuds.

what do you think so far any opinions? maybe other things i'm missing.

 

[baker_jeff]

If you're going N/A, the most power you'll ever see out of it is maybe 250WHP. The Stock bottom end can easily handle that, so I wouln't worry about aftermarket rods. I'd definately pick up those CTR pistons off Beyond, let me know when you have money and I'll get you the guys info.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about N/A power though, was never a big fan. :wink:

 

[Savage]

will do jeff thanks. i'm happy i'm getting 2 engines i might build one ls/vtec and one for boost woot woot. i hope to hit 12's on this NA build is it possible with 250whp and of course good tranny and suspension?

 

[jfrolang]

I think 250 at the wheels is a bit optimistic for an all motor B-series. It would require every trick in the book, and no expense spared. It's certainly enough to hit 12's though.

I've seen all motor B16's put down 200whp, which is roughly 240hp at the crank. Extracted, that's 150hp/liter. If you apply that to a 2.0L block, which is what you would have with an 84mm bore and an LS crank, you could theoretically achieve 300hp. That would be just enough to put down 250 at the wheels. The B16's do it by spinning to 9000 rpm though, and with an 84mm bore you have thinner sleeves to handle that much pressure and piston speed. It's also easier to get a higher specific output from smaller engines.

I think a K block could make it easier. I've seen an all-motor K20A in an EG put down 229 whp on stock internals.

 

[baker_jeff]

I would build it for boost. More potential in the long run, and, a hell of a lot cheaper.

 

[Savage]

interesting. well i got 2 blocks so i got options. we'll see how it goes.

 

[Angry]

Just a side note, with CTR (b16b) pistons on a LS bottom end, you'll be pushing 13.96 comp up in there...... :shock:

http://www.zealautowerks.com/

 

[Savage]

yeah i was looking at that 2. well according to my input

b18a block
b18 crank
b16 head
1 layer headgasket
pct pistons
b18 connecting rods
my elevation 2372

comp ratio of 14.33:1 RS ratio of 1.54 ( what is the optimum ratio i forgot)

 

[jfrolang]

14.3 is way too high. :shock:

ideal r/s is 1.75:1

 

[Savage]

even with a strong bottom end and good headwork you think this engine will blow up?

 

[jfrolang]

I think you'll have a real problem with detonation, if the valves aren't already hitting the pistons.

 

[chemik]

time for me to chime in since ive been on this path before.

heres my old setup

95 b18b block
91 b16a xsi head
CTR pistons
CTR cams
Pr3 ecu

thats it.

183whp/136ftlbs untuned. If I wouldve gotten it tuned it wouldve been about 190whp-200whp.
my point. as long as you have a good builder there is no need to spend all this money on fancy internals and crazy cams. I would rev mine to 8200rpms all day long. I ran the motor for a year and a half and then sold it. it still runnin to this day just do a basic setup. I would do it with b16 pistons since mine was at about 12.5 compression with the CTR pistons.

you will spend about $10000 if not more if youre trying to make much over 220whp btw. with this money I would just put forged rods and pistons on a b18b and boost it. I boosted my stock b18b. spent about $5000 on everything including the motor, exhaust system and tuning. im making 263whp on a very safe tune and will go to 300whp in about a week. I used to be hardcore all motor but then realized you can only go so far in it. plus I got tired of getting beat on by turbo cars.