[Dodo]

Racers make the news again in my state. Once again, more Crx's in the ticket getting crowd. When will kids learn to keep it on the track.

Not only are they racing, but there stealing the engines to race with. Double dumb!

 

[Dodo]

Just looked at it again, if you notice, when it first starts, there is a Black Crx and the driver is in hand cuffs. this puts a real bad image on us.

 

[dohcrxl]

Boy, those guys they interviewed really made car enthusiasts look really stupid.

"they can give me $15,000 dollars in fines! I got a credit card to pay for it!"

what a genuis. :rolleyes1:

Actually he said exactly this...

"they're not gonna, [stutter] they're not gonna take us off the streets as much as they want to, they can give me 15 hundred, [stutter] 15 hundred thousand dollars tickets, and you know what I gotta credit card to pay'em"

ok ummm yeah, like you know iz like you know, nawmsang?

 

[C1R6X]

:rolleyes1: Kids these days. But the thing is, I have been going to the track for 3 years, but when the kids that are always at the street races come to the track, as soon as the event is over with, their [email protected] are out on the road weiving in and out of traffic and driving on the shoulder to pass people. So really we can't do anything bout it, but just wait for their balls to drop and for them to grow the hell up. I don't know how many of them I've gotten in their face about the dumb crap they pull, but it just never stops. RANT RANT RANT.

Bryan

 

[Charles]

I like how some places just take your car. Problem solved.

I do like that they are catching thieves in the process. Book'em Danno!

 

[C1R6X]

I like how some places just take your car. Problem solved.

I do like that they are catching thieves in the process. Book'em Danno!

After they take your car, all that happens is they turn around and sell it hella cheap at an auction to a more than likely, a less of a mature kid.

 

[Charles]

I like how some places just take your car. Problem solved.

I do like that they are catching thieves in the process. Book'em Danno!

After they take your car, all that happens is they turn around and sell it hella cheap at an auction to a more than likely, a less of a mature kid.

Got no problem with that. He may not street race it knowing how he got it. And the original owner sure won't be racing it.

 

[Tiersin]

I agree. With most of these cars, there the persons time, passion, and money. Your not just taking there car, your taking a part of them.

 

[Angry]

We all need to find these auctions and save these rexs from dumbasses like them...

I cant belive how stupid they are, I mean Ive seen stupid but...thats just down right retarded.

 

[ryan_long_01]

I like how some places just take your car. Problem solved.

I do like that they are catching thieves in the process. Book'em Danno!

I don't agree at all. I don't think the government should be able to sieze your property for something like this...stolen property is one thing. It's questionable to take cars and houses away from drug dealers, because you can't prove that they acquired that stuff with drug profits...but it's possible. Street racers (generally) purchased and modified their car with their own money, not through criminal means.

The punishment can be jail time, or fines, or loss of driving privilages, or probation, or IMPOUNDING your car, or whatever -- but taking someones property just because they used it inappropriately should not be a right of the government, and it's a hell of a slippery slope. What if it leads to your third speeding ticket resulting in them siezing your $65,000 Corvette Z06? What about your third moving violation? Run that stop sign, the government owns your NSX. Kinda takes speeding tickets producing revenue for the state to a whole new level when they can auction your exotic automobile and pocket the money.

With increased attention given to modified imports (hell, Mark says right here in this thread that he runs the plates of every one that he sees), we should be worried about this kind of thing, not supporting it. A lot of us drive in a spirited manner from time to time -- imagine being at a stop light, and deciding to let it rev a little as you accelerate away. You get on it a bit, nothing major, maybe not even breaking the speed limit, but just getting there quicker than usual...but the dumb kid in the POS ricemobile a lane or two over decides to get all over it to show you up. A cop who's suspicious of imports anyway sees the whole thing go down, it's your word against his, and you have no chance whatsoever in court. You get convicted of speed contest/street racing, lose your license for a year, and pay a pretty hefty fine.

Do you think the government should be allowed to, on top of all of that, to come and take your car away from you, with all the blood, sweat, and tears you've put into it (not to mention the money), and sell it at auction to make some cash for the state? I sure as **** don't.

 

[ryan_long_01]

Same way felons can't own handguns.
Same way child molesters can't live near schools.

Then take their license away, not their car. That's a valid punishment, just like the ones you listed...not seizing their personal property. If a child molester lives near a school when he is convicted, even if he uses his house to commit the crimes, he can sell his house and buy a new one...they don't seize his house and leave him homeless.

 

[FooFighter]

Honestly if you take away a street racer's licenses, sure he will stop driving in the day but he will still go to races at night. Since street racing is already illegal then what does he have to lose by doing it without a license?

 

[Angry]

Theres a difference between spirited driving and organized retards.

Its people like those in that vid that give people like us, the smart ones in most instances, a bad name...and personaly. If they are going to make me look bad, take thier damn car. They dont deserve it. And the fact that most of those guys were running stolen motors, says they were involved in illegal matters unrelated to street racing. (Though how exactly they know that they are stolen Im not sure....that could have been a news blowup.) But I would carry a sales receipt or papers to the motor or something if I actualy bought it.

I dont want to be represented by a bunch of 'tards who think they know ****...Its actualy gotin to the point where if one of thier friends die, they dont care, they just say "Ah well, he couldnt handle it, he died racing."

Some people need to be brought back to the real world. Or put out of their misery.

 

[ryan_long_01]

A fair argument, but not completely convincing. If part of the known punishment for street racing conviction is car seizures, it would most certainly cut down on street racing.

Now, when you get down to it, what good is a car without a license?
So what you're saying is that we, as a society, should take away merely the thing that gives him the legal privilege to drive (his license), rather than the thing he actually drives (his car)?

Which do you think would be more effective at prevent him from street racing again?

It's not about whether it's more *effective* to take his car away, it's about whether it's OK for the government to take someone's personal property, worth thousands of dollars, to do so. When someone commits a crime, they do their time, or pay the fine, or whatever, and we as a society take our chances on him commiting the crime again. We try to match the punishment to the crime so that once a criminal has paid his due, he thinks twice about doing it again. There are societies that cut a thief's hands off to stop him from stealing again...as much as I hate theives (and I really do), I don't think our government has any place cutting off people's hands for it...same story here -- I'll take the increased chance of a guy racing again to avoid giving the government the power to take his car away as part of the punishment. There are always people that will do it again, no matter WHAT the punishment is...look at the guys who get out of prison after 10 years and steal a car or hold up a liquor store 2 weeks later. You can't stop that, no matter what the punishment.

 

[Dodo]

Here's an idea, take the car and have them pay for it again. If they cant, then sell it to the highest bidder. Problem solved. You still make the money, but you give him a chance to buy it back.

The bigger problem is they dont show those good movies in schools anymore. Blood on the highway, red Road. Those would open there eyes. Maybe if they knew they were in a death car ( not bashing, but they dont make cars like they use to) they would learn something.

Some of this is bull. Some of the older people on here, not that me have many, could tell us how they did the same thing back in the 70's. Go to the beach, show off your car, have some beers. Then some would go to an old back road, and drag. So its nothing new but it seems more and more of a unapproved choice to spend your time. People like this are the reason we have cops watching us drink coffee at starbucks. Were doing nothing wrong, but still get watched like dogs. Its all nothing new and its not going to get old soon. Its something we will have to live with for at least the next ten years.

 

[ryan_long_01]

Here's an idea, take the car and have them pay for it again. If they cant, then sell it to the highest bidder. Problem solved. You still make the money, but you give him a chance to buy it back.

The bigger problem is they dont show those good movies in schools anymore. Blood on the highway, red Road. Those would open there eyes. Maybe if they knew they were in a death car ( not bashing, but they dont make cars like they use to) they would learn something.

Some of this is bull. Some of the older people on here, not that me have many, could tell us how they did the same thing back in the 70's. Go to the beach, show off your car, have some beers. Then some would go to an old back road, and drag. So its nothing new but it seems more and more of a unapproved choice to spend your time. People like this are the reason we have cops watching us drink coffee at starbucks. Were doing nothing wrong, but still get watched like dogs. Its all nothing new and its not going to get old soon. Its something we will have to live with for at least the next ten years.

Problem solved? Really depends on what you call the problem.

Death car? Don't build 'em like they used to? Cars "back in the day" weren't safer because they looked "less damaged" after an accident, they were more dangerous. Either the car can absorb the impact, or it can transfer it to you. I'd rather my car look like a stepped-on soda can after a wreck if it means I can walk away...crumple zones are MUCH safer than a fully rigid car.

 

[C1R6X]

A fair argument, but not completely convincing. If part of the known punishment for street racing conviction is car seizures, it would most certainly cut down on street racing.

Now, when you get down to it, what good is a car without a license?
So what you're saying is that we, as a society, should take away merely the thing that gives him the legal privilege to drive (his license), rather than the thing he actually drives (his car)?

Which do you think would be more effective at prevent him from street racing again?

It's not about whether it's more *effective* to take his car away, it's about whether it's OK for the government to take someone's personal property, worth thousands of dollars, to do so. When someone commits a crime, they do their time, or pay the fine, or whatever, and we as a society take our chances on him commiting the crime again. We try to match the punishment to the crime so that once a criminal has paid his due, he thinks twice about doing it again. There are societies that cut a thief's hands off to stop him from stealing again...as much as I hate theives (and I really do), I don't think our government has any place cutting off people's hands for it...same story here -- I'll take the increased chance of a guy racing again to avoid giving the government the power to take his car away as part of the punishment. There are always people that will do it again, no matter WHAT the punishment is...look at the guys who get out of prison after 10 years and steal a car or hold up a liquor store 2 weeks later. You can't stop that, no matter what the punishment.

Amen to Ryan..