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And for more research, look up "Browns Gas", and a machine called a "water torch", which is what he is using in the report.

Now, whether the guy is doing it right now easily or not, i think that the ideas here are very sound, and could work... see, now my mind is wandering... haha!

Interesting though...
 

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anything is better then nothing, and with gas price about to go over 4 to 5 dollars a gallon because we shut down the Alaska pipe line, its a breath of fresh air.
 

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The only thing a few minutes of research has shown up that would be detrimental to the functionality of this, is that apparently all experiments so far of this stuff takes a LOT of electricity to make... now, does the electricity cost come in under, or overwhelm the cost of what it would take to just use gasoline?

If this guys process is soooo much better, then it may be a reality... but current methods of creatijng the 'Browns Gas' seem to be inefficient.

However, if you had a small machine that could continueally creat the gas throughout the day, and a gas pump to compress and store the gas to be filled into your car at a later date, then it may be feasible assuming you have a good hookup on power to drive the machine. I'm guessing it would be close to the same as operating a home a/c unit 24/7... but this cost may be worth it with gas prices doing what they are.

Hmmm...

http://www.eagle-research.com/browngas/myth/powerv.html
 

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I would like to know the actual electricity cost. It could very well offset any savings. It looks like it has some other features that may be attractive for people using it as a torch, but I cannot see how it would be cost-effective in a car. However, I applaud anyone that pursues alternative technologies.
 

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Maybe being in Florida, water seems plentiful, at least locally. But across large portions of this country, water is a strained resource. Its an even bigger issue globally.
Unless this thing can run on sea water...I can't view the wmv from work.
 

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i think its just like anyother baby technology. In the 1950s for example, no one thought computers would have any application in homes because they were huge, power hungry, slow, and pretty much useless.

Technology needs to evolve. I think that within 10 years we will start seeing radical changes to cars powerplants. Althought his method isnt refined, its a start.

I know BMW is starting to pust hydrogen. I cant find the article, but they created an engine that can run of both gas and hydrogen, which would allow people to gradualy make the switch.
 

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OK there is an easy solution to both problems here that has been known to oil companies for over 20 years. The simple reason why they have kept is secret is because they like being filthy rich!

Ok so problem #1 is developing a hydro powered car. This is not very hard if you have lots of money. However since every one with money has gotten their money from oil they don't want to help fund something that would make oil worthless. So it has taken a very long time for this technology to be developed.
The simple solution to this problem is oil companies just have to buy the ocean and then start selling us water at 5$ a gallon.

Problem #2 is how do we make sea water into usable hydro car water? Well that's easy. They have been doing this for a long time. The only thing is the machines necessary to convert salt water into pure water are expensive to build and maintain.
So how do we solve this? Well oil companies just have to sell all of their oil rigs and then build an equal number of water purifiers.

So really there is no difference whether we use water cars or oil cars. The one clear advantage of water is that there is simply much much more of it on earth. Secondly when you burn water you aren't killing the planet while you do it.

So I think oil companies should just make the switch to water and be done with it.
 

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but then concider the fact that even with the water desalination process, its a lot easier to produce than oil. There is a lot less refining. And its more automated. Plus, we can do it in our own back yards. Theres no need to pay one or two HUGE oil companies in the middle east for our oil when we can do it on our own coasts.
 

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The conversion efficiency of taking electrical energy, and turning it into chemical energy, and then combusting it to provide mechanical energy is lower than the conversion efficiency of turning electrical energy directly into mechanical energy. Based on this currently true fact I see this "water powered" or "brown's gas" (H2 + O2) powered vehicle being less practical than an electric car as a replacement for internal combustion.
 

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However, with the potential lighter weight of this setup compared to an electrical car, you could theoretically have a LOT better mileage.

Another thing to consider is refueling.... if you drive your electric car, and run out, you're out... for a while.

As long as it is more efficient than Gasoline, it could be better accepted, and easier to use.
 

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There is a lot of debate on Wikipedia as to whether this is a scam. All they are doing it splitting water with electrolysis into Hydrogen and Oxygen. However, the makers claim that that it is a new molecule of water. Hmmm.
 

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FooFighter said:
Problem #2 is how do we make sea water into usable hydro car water? Well that's easy. They have been doing this for a long time. The only thing is the machines necessary to convert salt water into pure water are expensive to build and maintain.
So how do we solve this? Well oil companies just have to sell all of their oil rigs and then build an equal number of water purifiers.
This isn't the issue. The problem isn't that there isn't enough clean water to do this. The current biggest issue is that the amount of energy required to convert the electricity to Hyrdogen. Also we don't really have great ways to store large quantities of hydrogen other than under high pressure, which takes energy to do...

If our greatest issue is water... then we don't need to worry. You could have a solar powered water distiller in your back yard...
 
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