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I don't understand how "I didn't drink and drive" could possibly be interpreted as me admitting I drove drunk or high, so if you guys would be so kind as to read what I wrote, I didn't drive intoxicated. Maybe "I didn't drink and drive or do anything" wasn't clear enough.....

I apologize for my reaction, it was a little irrational, I dont understand how me defending myself is grounds for you guys to all insult me and jump to incorrect conclusions w/o even reading my post......

But I guess I'm the badguy for whatever reason, so I'll bow out of this scene, I don't need to be told I look like a person off COPS, for no reason at all
 

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I think, that the post you made wasn't really clear.

"a BS charge" isn't really descriptive. And stereo types have caused for "people" in general to immediately jump to conclusions.
It's the "I didn't do nuffin you pig!" type of reaction.
Everyone's innocent, right?

Now, I think the problem lies more in the way HOW you brought it...
The unwritten rules of this community are slightly different.

I think that if you had been more clear and descriptive, this misunderstanding would not have been caused.
That being said. If you have the same attitude and temper in court, I can see how you got had like you have.
Those people deal with dirtbags all day long. And this causes the "if it looks like a dirtbag, and it talks like a dirtbag, chances are...it's a dirtbag" type of syndrome kicks in.

I have gotten away with alot of things, simply by learning the local laws (finding the holes in it), and bing really well spoken to cops and judges.
I've been in court a few times as well, so I know how it works.
 

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Ross, I like ya man. But I'll be frank here, the post you made made you look like you were a drugy or a drunk that got caught driving, disregarded his suspension and got into an accident, and then thought it was unfair to get blamed for it.

You either need to make it alot more clear using proper wording, or give it up. I am very anti driving under the influence of whatever (althought I've done it before) and since I've done it before, I will not get in the middle of it nor try and tell you that you are wrong. Just try and word it better. Sounded like you posted and your were pissed off at your situation. Posting mad never ends with good results I know that from experience
 

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Sorry guys, but no
g0CRXg0 said:
.....PAY ATTENTION HERE: I then took 2, I repeat, 2 breathalizer tests, blowing 00.00 both times.

....So they said I need to go to the station and take a piss test, and I obliged.

....(seeing how I didnt drink and drive, or do anything)
Your tellin me from the above statements, I sound like a druggy? That I wasnt clear enough for you? How much clearer can be than "I didnt do any drinkin or drugs and offered to prove it by taking tests" can you get?

Yea I got a temper, yea, I'm not some clean cut suburban kid, but I'm not a drugged out *******, and NONE of you guys have a right to say stuff like that. Bart can vouch for me, I'm not the best kid ever, but Im no bozo, I'm quite intelligent and very well spoken when I want to be.

On the note of what you said Seti, Im extremely disappointed in you guys. Like I said, I thought we left the "jump to conclusions" people behind. I didnt think stereotyping was something I had to deal with here.

I make a post complaining about the Law.
I get bashed for stuff I didnt even do, and for posting while mad.
You guys insult me.

Now someone explain to me, why I'm the badguy?
If you guys ask me you owe me an apology, or is it OK to insult people around here these days? cussing isnt allowed, but I can tell someone they sound like a drugged out drunk driver from cops?
ummmmm.......right.....
 

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First of all, your posts were so disorganised that I didn't bother reading thru alot of it as it was not posted very well. Take that into account as to why we didn't read everything. So you passed the test, by law you were intoxicated, bring that proof to court and there you go. The judges are fair and will not side with the cops unless your case is poorly prepared. I've spent my own fair share of time infront of the judge for my actions and I can vouch that having a proper case, prepared well in advance and you having the proper information memorized will make you look better then the cop, especially if you have the papers/evidence prooving you passed the breathalizer.

Sounds more like a case of misfortune then alcohol. Fight it to the death.
 

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First of all, your posts were so disorganised that I didn't bother reading thru alot of it as it was not posted very well. Take that into account as to why we didn't read everything. So you passed the test, by law you were intoxicated, bring that proof to court and there you go. The judges are fair and will not side with the cops unless your case is poorly prepared. I've spent my own fair share of time infront of the judge for my actions and I can vouch that having a proper case, prepared well in advance and you having the proper information memorized will make you look better then the cop, especially if you have the papers/evidence prooving you passed the breathalizer.

Sounds more like a case of misfortune then alcohol. Fight it to the death.
Thats what Im sayin, if you guys didnt read my post (for whatever reason) you had no right to respond to the thread, especially in a derogatory manor.

And I cant take any proof to court, I have none, what proof would I have? Their the one's who administered the tests. What am I supposed to do when they claim I didnt take them, and claim they dont have cruiser footage from that night?
What do I do when My lawyer is to incompetent to ask any of the other witnesses if I took breathalizers?

I totally agree with you Lude, about needing a well prepared case, and thats why I told the judge I'd like another trial with a chance to subpoena my own witnesses on my behalf and possibly hire another attorney. He said No and denied me my chance at justice.

EDIT: and thanks, you hit it on the head, this is a case of misfortune and badluck. I want to contest it but I cant affored legal council, and there's a slight chance my ALS suspension may be lifted here when I go to court here in Columbus. My OVI was dropped (as I wasnt OVI) and I'm hoping the judge will throw out the ALS due to that. You guys are right, if I had top dollar to hire an attorney, I probably would have walked out of the courtroom with my liscense and no penalties, but thats what I get for not bein rich.
 

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g0CRXg0 said:
On the note of what you said Seti, Im extremely disappointed in you guys. Like I said, I thought we left the "jump to conclusions" people behind. I didnt think stereotyping was something I had to deal with here.
Sorry, but its human nature to "jump to conclusions". You'll find that everywhere you go.

Sorry guys, but no

.....PAY ATTENTION HERE: I then took 2, I repeat, 2 breathalizer tests, blowing 00.00 both times.

....So they said I need to go to the station and take a piss test, and I obliged.

....(seeing how I didnt drink and drive, or do anything)
You didnt state that in your first post when you were ranting over how pissed you where. Maybe if we had all the facts, you wouldnt get profiled as a drunk or a druggy.

You didnt ask a question, you just posted that it happen and then got pissed for us all making comments on what you had said. I made a simular post awhile back about driving an unreged car. Mark got on and told me it was wrong and everything else, and i had it coming. You do something wrong, you get busted for it, you post it up on a web forum and expect nothing to happen. What do you want, even if you werent drunk the first time, you still got caught drive under sup. You're still in the wrong and need to man up about it.
 

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You do something wrong, you get busted for it, you post it up on a web forum and expect nothing to happen. What do you want, even if you werent drunk the first time, you still got caught drive under sup. You're still in the wrong and need to man up about it.
I-DIDNT-DO-ANYTHING-WRONG

I got "caught" driving under suspension b/c I didnt know it was suspended.
Did you know being charged with a OVI gives you a ALS suspension? Me neither, thats why I was still driving.

LOL, I love this kinda stuff, you guys are tellin me to man up, and not one of you has said sorry for bein jerks. LOL, tellin me to man up, about what? Is it not ok to be upset when your screwed over? guess not....

DoDo you drove an unregistered car you say, and if you did it knowingly, a little hazin over it is understandable.
But I DIDNT drive drunk or high, and Im gettin blasted?

and people can jump to conclusions all they want, I would never just assume, without reading, that one of you was a drunk/druggy/whatever, and then talk trash to you about it. Why? I have (had) more respect for you guys, and I'd give you the benefit of the doubt before jumping to conclusions.

this really does crack me up. You guys jump to conclusions, insult the crap outta me, and STILL wanna tell me its my fault? even when Im sittin here discussing it in a reasonable manor,disproving all the slander my name's received by merely showing you what you were so neglegent to not read?
im wrong here, you guys just keep telllin yourself that
 

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Adding to marks post, This i got from one of the police reports he puts on here about drunk drivers.

I then noted the time on my watch to be 0050 hours. I put a copy of the Notice of Suspension, Idaho Code 18-8002 and 18-8002A, on BONEHEAD's leg so she could read the form while the audiotape played. I then played the ALS Notice of Suspension audiotape to BONEHEAD. At the conclusion of the tape, BONEHEAD indicated that she did not understand. Even though she stated that she did not understand, BONEHEAD did not ask any specific questions when I asked if she had questions.
Not sure if thats standrad in all states but they should of had something like that.
 

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:::yawn::: I honestly cant believe this is still going. I read the other post, but its not my place to comment because I dont know you, or the situation. Its just one sided here, and above all else, its on an internet forum. Theres no telling what did/didnt happen. I feel ya, that you got the shaft here, but at the same time, what are you gonna do? Sounds like the public defender screwed you, but what do you expect from that; but if you cant afford a real lawyer, what you gonna do?

I Understand what your saying, and that your pissed, but like everyone seems to be trying to tell you, is you get all hotheaded with the law, whether thats the kind of person you are or not, sometimes you gotta play by the rules, even if its to get around them.

All I can say is take the same initiative that your taking to get support from CC here, and take it back to the court. If you really didnt do anything wrong, theres nothing to be mad about, but plenty to not give up on. So get on with it! and GL
 

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Fair enough Mark, I can understand your POV.

But please understand mine, I didnt lie about my situation to you guys one bit. Why would I? Thats why Im upset about bein heckled over it.

I liked the way you put it, I went wrong whe I couldnt control my anger, yes.
But thats a personal problem, and none of the anger was directed at any of you until I started getting these derogatory responses.
I over reacted and I apologized.

I dont believe I took a HGN test, the tests I took consisted of me walking the line with my hands at my side, alphabet backwards, counting to 10,000 in 1,000'2 slowly, and the 1 foot balance test.

How long are the recorded uses of the breathalizer machine kept for? If this is true then there we go, it'd be awfully hard to say I didnt take a breathalizer with recordied readings of 00.00.....

but thats my problem with the whole case, they dropped the OVI. Im just mad I still have no liscense. It is my understanding that the other driver hit me, but thats disputable, and my g/f's statement wasnt neccessarily in my favor on that topic, so I have no beef over dealing with the penalties relating to that. Its the no liscense thing when I wasnt OVI and had my charge dropped.

As far as our community issue, I apologize again both for overreacting and being a hypocrite to an extent, but I still think it's just outrageous none of you feel you were in the wrong for misjuding me due to your own neglegence, and like I said I can see where I came off as disrespectful of the law in my 1st post, but thats no reason to bash me, its my personal opinion.
 

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"Going off" is NEVER a good idea.
Your absolutely right, but it's not grounds for persecution.
And on the note, I absolutely assure I was more then polite when dealing with the police, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you bein smart with the cops will get you nowhere
 

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Ok guys, as long as this post continues in a mutually constructive manner, we'll leave this topic open.

For future reference, if a post is LOCKED, this means end of discussion in the forums. To maintain order, we can't be reopening topics in new threads when a previous one was locked. (otherwise, what's the point of locking an inappropriate topic in the first place?)
 

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Locking shows that either rules are broken, or the thread is going on with no point. I think most on this site are reasonable enough to change the tone/reason if we're reprimanded.

Anyway, I was siding with the majority on this one. I read it as you were CONVICTED of OVI previously, and lost your license, then continued to drive and were involved in the accident.

In Mark's defense.. you really need(ed) to chill. Mark has given advice and insight to so many on this site and others that has often gotten people out of trouble, or at least in less. I can remember a particular time I got out of quite a ticket from Mark's advice. He's not your average cop.

So, to your new dilemma... Can you petition the judge to reinstate your license? If the charges of OVI were dropped, why should you have to suffer a penalty? Take some time and right out a formal letter, and try to keep emotion out of it. I know its hard, but sometimes you just have to suck up the pride a bit, and you get farther :?
 

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MarkWilliamson said:
rex2nr said:
Not your stereotypical cop?
No cops are stereotypical.
Most cops are just decent people. Like any other profession, there is a rnage of personalities.
First I just want to point out that Mark made a spelling mistake for the first time ever!

I definitely agree here. I think that for the vast majority of people, our primary interactions with police are somewhat negative: you get pulled over for speeding, arrested, whatever, and most of the time police highlighted in the media it's when they mess up. Nobody looks around at their safe, crime free neighbourhood and says "damn I love the police!" (That might not apply depending where you live, especially if you're in the student ghetto in Troy like I am)
Personallly, I've had my fair share of bad experiences with the law, the worst of which led to two misdemeanors due to my driving last year. I did not have any problems with any of the officers involved, I was nice to them and they were nice to me, there's respect. In that particular case, I went to the police station a while after the incident and talked to the officer who arrested me, and we had a pretty good conversation.
My aunt is a firearms instructor for the NYS Court police, she was in the WTC on 9/11 when tower 1 collapsed. She got up and worked at the site for the next two days, pretty hard core. She comes up to NH to visit a lot, and none of my friends ever know she's a cop, it's just not obvious (other than all the "I support NYS Troopers" stickers on her car).
She's told me about working in NYC, she hates that she can't go out alone in uniform for lunch because it's actually dangerous. When they go out in groups, people shy away, to the other side of the street, outside the building, whatever. I think that unfortunately we have a problem as a society that we distrust and dislike police. I'm not sure if it's because of our interactions with them, or because of the way they are represented in our media and entertainment, but I see it as a problem.

Remember, cops are civil servants. They don't get paid enough to be out there worrying if they might get shot, run over, whatever, for the rest of us to sit at home and not have to worry about our safety. I know someone is going to chime in with something about how we don't need the police or something, that's just ignorant. In an ideal society we wouldn't need anyone to enforce the law, but the real world is far from ideal, human nature is such that people will try to take advantage of others.
 

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Take the "typcial cop" thread here, and stop whoring up this thread! lol : http://crxcommunity.com/viewtopic.php?t=5400

Hehehe

g0CRXg0- I agree, can you write a letter to explain that since the OVI was dropped and no actual charges were filed (or filed then dropped) you sholdnt lose your license as a result. It should never have been suspended.

Fight the parts you can, such as the suspended license, and accept the parts you can't change.

Either way, good luck with it. Sounds like a similar situation I was in. My license was suspended, and since i had moved I never recieved notice. It wasn't til 8 monthes later I found out, and got it cleared up. It was over something stupid, similar to how yours got suspended.

Keep your head up. We didn't mean to attack you, it jsut came off like you were admitting guilt of the OVI charge, and were driving suspended knowingly, and expected sympathy for getting into an accident.

Since that's not the case, I'll appologise for my harsh comments too.

Just to help us with the background on the OVI, what were you initially stopped for when they decided to field test you?
 

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rex2nr said:
I think he didn't really get pulled over, he was already pulled over arguing with his gf, and then a cop pulled up.
Ahh, ok, so to keep it all straight:

Situation 1:
Parked, arguing with the GF, cops stop and field test, etc...
Results: No actual charges, but license is supsneded as a side effect of the filed but dropped charge of OVI.

Situation 2:
Got in a non fault accident, cops show up, license is suspended, leads to court and all the seemingly crappy judical work.

That sound about right?

If that is infact the case, I'd definately write a letter to the judge, explaining the situation of the OVI was dropped, and include a copy of the police report and any documentation of the 00.00 and why the charges were dropped.

Sounds to me like in situation 1, they assumed you were under the influence of drugs or alcohol because your emotions were erratic (from fighting with the GF, then having to deal with the police) so they did what they felt was right to get you off the streets til you either "came down" form the suspected influence, or til you calmed down. It sounds like they took steps to prevent a domestic situation of possible a bigger situation if you were actually under the influence and drove.

And as a follow up in Situation 2, your license had been suspended as the side effect of the OVI charge but is a paperwork trail to get it fixed.

Unfortunately no one buy you cares about that paperwork trail and if you don't persue it, the suspended license will stick until it runs its course.

I know here in PA, you can get a "conditional license" even when suspended, so you can drive to work and home. Call around about it, maybe the DMV, see if you can get one. Just don't get caught abusing it. ( :oops: i'm guilty of that)
 
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