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ok so i was supposed to get my L back on the eve of may 31st, money issues so i coudn't do it, i purchased sr22 on the rex on the 12th, then paid my reienstatment fee on the 13th.

I was told to take the proof of my insurance to springfield so that it could get processed faster, this is what my isurance broker told me "Take this slip down to the dmv in springfield, and show it to them!"

well turns out he LIED, i drove 2 hours to springfield and waited, and waited, talked to the lady, nope sir this isn't the sr22 form, this just shows that you have insurance, the sr is pink and looks like so (insert image of sr22)

so now its gunna take another 2 weeks for it to clear through mail, where in my insurance will be do again, the whole thing just seems retarded

sorry just venting
 

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hey man, you shouldn't have to ask and pay the government for permission to drive your car.

i don't plan on ever renewing my license after it expires. once you get it all straigtened out you'll be ok. just drive safely and mind your speed.

you're two packages should get there soon enough
 

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Dren said:
hey man, you shouldn't have to ask and pay the government for permission to drive your car.

i don't plan on ever renewing my license after it expires. once you get it all straigtened out you'll be ok. just drive safely and mind your speed.

you're two packages should get there soon enough
you are correct. there is no reason to ask the government to drive your own car. However, you are not allowed to drive it on PUBLIC roads without thier permission. :wink:
 

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Dren said:
i don't plan on ever renewing my license after it expires. once you get it all straigtened out you'll be ok. just drive safely and mind your speed.
I can't imagine driving paranoid just to save a few bucks on a driver's license. As much as I manage to get pulled over, it wouldn't last long.
 

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In America, it pretty much IS a right. Many countries have MUCH more stringent requirements as far as testing and proving that you deserve to be on the road...here in the States, for the most part, if you want to drive -- you can. I personally would be fine with it being HARDER to get a DL...there are way too many people out there that don't understand basic concepts like lane usage (it doesn't get much more basic than "slower traffic keep right"), turn signals, etc. To make it even easier for people to get on the road with even less knowledge of how to drive doesn't seem like a good idea to me...
 

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I just won't pay them haha. They were going to take away my old license if I didn't pay my license ticket. Hmm...let me think now...

Yeah I know they are public roads, but we are allowed to ride our bikes on them and walk on them.
 

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MarkWilliamson said:
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Yeah I know they are public roads, but we are allowed to ride our bikes on them and walk on them.
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You do have a point with the bicycles.

The walking, however, is stretching the logic a bit.
You pay for the vehicles that put wear on the roads, and for which the roads are created for. I personally agree with ryan on this one, I think it should be harder to get/keep a license. Here in Arizona, I have a 50 year license. I guarantee that there will be people in 40 years that should not be driving. Just my thoughts...a car is a dangerous instrument if you don't know how to/are incapable of driving.
 

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lessonsinspeed said:
MarkWilliamson said:
Dren said:
Yeah I know they are public roads, but we are allowed to ride our bikes on them and walk on them.
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You do have a point with the bicycles.

The walking, however, is stretching the logic a bit.
You pay for the vehicles that put wear on the roads, and for which the roads are created for. I personally agree with ryan on this one, I think it should be harder to get/keep a license. Here in Arizona, I have a 50 year license. I guarantee that there will be people in 40 years that should not be driving. Just my thoughts...a car is a dangerous instrument if you don't know how to/are incapable of driving.
And if you hurt somebody when driving it, you should be held acountable. Having a license does not mean you will or will not hurt somebody or their property with your car.

As for the public roads, who do you think pays for them?
 

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no dui or no insurance ticket here just a speeding 29 over and a no head lights ticket, i dnon't have a clue why they made me get sr22 financial responsibility stuff

i agree that it should be harder to get you ls actualy, but i don't agree on the coarse they take to get it reinstated after a suspension of this kind. i paid my sr22 on the 12th, it will take 5 days to get there through the mail, and then another 10 days to process through the legal system once it gets to springfield, thats a half a month, my insurance is going to be due again, before i even get to drive :evil:
 

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Dren said:
Having a license does not mean you will or will not hurt somebody or their property with your car.
No, but per-capita traffic fatality rates in countries with more strict requirements regarding how one goes about becoming a licensed driver are substantially lower as compared to the U.S...making it even easier to get a license WILL result in more dangerous driving conditions, and the U.S. is alredy a country with roads full of dangerous, clueless drivers. As much as I like reduced government in our lives and increased civil liberties, public safety issues are a very big deal and driving shouldn't be a right...it's just too scary out there with cell phone using idiots driving in the left lane all day with the cruise control set and the countless other things they do. Screw 'em, they can take the bus if they can't pass the tests. We drive very small cars and there are too many dumbasses out there in very large SUVs with no clue as to what they are doing...a lot of people out there shouldn't be driving, and there's no way I could argue for LESS requirements prior to getting on the road.
 

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shadowcrx said:
imply more driving laws then

cell phone while driving, 6 points
suvs---- outlawed
cruise control---take um out
SUVs aren't the problem. Cruise control isn't the problem. Even cell phones aren't the problem, it's dumb people that have been handed a lisence at age 16 after passing an absurdly easy test (and never have to take another one). Everyone shouldn't have their SUVs taken away because of the fact that some people are dangerous behind the wheel of one, the vehicles aren't the issue at all. The way things are right now, they let everyone on the road and then use band-aids like low speed limits to make up for the fact that untrained drivers are on the road. In fact, if it was harder to get a lisence, we could have higher speed limits, etc. since the people on the road could handle it. Imagine an autobahn in a highly populated area of the U.S. the way things are right now..disasterous. Why can Germany pull it off? It has a lot to do with the fact that they know proper lane usage and etiquitte, for starters.
 

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Dren said:
Having a license does not mean you will or will not hurt somebody or their property with your car.
No, but per-capita traffic fatality rates in countries with more strict requirements regarding how one goes about becoming a licensed driver are substantially lower as compared to the U.S...making it even easier to get a license WILL result in more dangerous driving conditions, and the U.S. is alredy a country with roads full of dangerous, clueless drivers. As much as I like reduced government in our lives and increased civil liberties, public safety issues are a very big deal and driving shouldn't be a right...it's just too scary out there with cell phone using idiots driving in the left lane all day with the cruise control set and the countless other things they do. Screw 'em, they can take the bus if they can't pass the tests. We drive very small cars and there are too many dumbasses out there in very large SUVs with no clue as to what they are doing...a lot of people out there shouldn't be driving, and there's no way I could argue for LESS requirements prior to getting on the road.
I don't think that will solve many problems. There are already many people who drive without a license and without insurance. I've been hit by one before.

I think the penalties in those countries for DUIs and other such things are quite a bit higher than what they are here in the USA.

Either way, driving a car is dangerous and very risky. You have to be aware of what is going on. That is the risk you take to travel quickly.
 

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I don't think that will solve many problems. There are already many people who drive without a license and without insurance. I've been hit by one before.

I think the penalties in those countries for DUIs and other such things are quite a bit higher than what they are here in the USA.

Either way, driving a car is dangerous and very risky. You have to be aware of what is going on. That is the risk you take to travel quickly.
Having drivers that are more skilled on the roads won't solve many problems? The statistics seem to show that it does. I wouldn't mind if the penalty for a DUI was more strict, but unfortunately instead of that, they just keep lowering the legal limit -- from the old-school .15 to .10 to .08, and it will likely keep dropping, in spite of what the AMA and other medical professionals say...MADD has more sway than the AMA, for some reason. I'd be OK with a big-time fine and long lisence suspension, but not at a level where a couple of beers with dinner knocks you over the limit.

You can only be so aware of the road, and someone else's stupidity can ALWAYS take you out. Increasing the skill level of drivers on the road cuts down on the "unavoidable factor" of other people's mistakes killing you. I don't mind taking risks on the roadway, but it's just like the reason I wouldn't own a motorcycle -- other people are crappy drivers, and they will kill you.
 

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^I agree with a lot of that. What I meant in my post that I didn't really explain enough was that I think the reason these other countries with more stringent license requirements have less accidents is due more to the harsher penalties rather than the more stringent requirements. I think that reminds people to pay more attention and to watch out when driving.
 

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Dren said:
ryan_long_01 said:
Dren said:
Having a license does not mean you will or will not hurt somebody or their property with your car.
No, but per-capita traffic fatality rates in countries with more strict requirements regarding how one goes about becoming a licensed driver are substantially lower as compared to the U.S...making it even easier to get a license WILL result in more dangerous driving conditions, and the U.S. is alredy a country with roads full of dangerous, clueless drivers. As much as I like reduced government in our lives and increased civil liberties, public safety issues are a very big deal and driving shouldn't be a right...it's just too scary out there with cell phone using idiots driving in the left lane all day with the cruise control set and the countless other things they do. Screw 'em, they can take the bus if they can't pass the tests. We drive very small cars and there are too many dumbasses out there in very large SUVs with no clue as to what they are doing...a lot of people out there shouldn't be driving, and there's no way I could argue for LESS requirements prior to getting on the road.
I don't think that will solve many problems. There are already many people who drive without a license and without insurance. I've been hit by one before.

I think the penalties in those countries for DUIs and other such things are quite a bit higher than what they are here in the USA.

Either way, driving a car is dangerous and very risky. You have to be aware of what is going on. That is the risk you take to travel quickly.
i don't know about any other state but in know here in illinois dui is now a felony with manditory imprisonment
 
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