look at it this way. if it worked so well and was so cheap, why dont car companies put it on at the factory?
all ive ever heard about those things is they dont work. :lol:
all ive ever heard about those things is they dont work. :lol:
turbonator?
I just today bought a turbonator , really in hopes of getting better mpg for my beast. but how well is this for actually increasing power? just wondering if anyone knew from experience, or friends experiences.
www.turbonator.com (if it doesnt work at least it was on sale)
www.turbonator.com (if it doesnt work at least it was on sale)
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good thing i got it cheap then... i wonder if i could get more than i payed off of ebay those suckers.
I would agree with krix.
I havent really seen any significant increase in performance or MPG from these goofy lil pieces of bent aluminum.
What they are supposedly supposed to do is cause a cyclonic effect to draw more air into the engine and reduce turbulent air eddys.Man, I knew college would pay off!(jk I only went to CC)
But in laymans terms it really doesnt do much.Actually if a piece of that "turbonator" broke off guess what goes down your intake? yup you guessed it METAL! :shock:
No way I'd install it on my car.
I havent really seen any significant increase in performance or MPG from these goofy lil pieces of bent aluminum.
What they are supposedly supposed to do is cause a cyclonic effect to draw more air into the engine and reduce turbulent air eddys.Man, I knew college would pay off!(jk I only went to CC)
But in laymans terms it really doesnt do much.Actually if a piece of that "turbonator" broke off guess what goes down your intake? yup you guessed it METAL! :shock:
No way I'd install it on my car.
ill just have to make sure it doesnt brake... but i do think that it will work. if it mixes the air/fuel a little better before it hits the engine, than that would technically make it burn better, and increase in mpg and hp. according to theory. which is probly what this was meant to do. oh well. ill try it for a little.
I had one on another car I owned and it acually decreased my MPG. Lucklly I got my money back. Big waste of money!
yeah well i just got it and im gonna be traveling next week, so ill see how it goes. didnt notice any difference as far as power went though, didnt really think it would do anything there. especially when the tranny on my stinkin buick limits power to the wheels anyway.. stupid electronically controlled tranny. my car has the same 3800 v6 in the camaros, but drops about 50 less hp to the wheels because its limited through the tranny... hate..
sorry for double posting and bringing a dead topic but its for reasons of showing my experience of the turbonator over the past week or so in my buick.
i did some traveling recently and this is what i got.
274.0 mi. - 11.45 g (city miles) roughly 23.9mpg
270.4 mi. - 12.46 g (city miles) roughly 21.7mpg
343.4 mi. - 11.65 g (highway miles) roughly 29.8 mpg
so i averaged near 23mpg in city, and theres the near 30mpg on highway. which is a big improvement from my 19mpg(city) i had before the turbonator. this is not false, i havent noticed any hp improvement, but as far as gas mileage increase, i am very impressed on the results i got. so if anyone says that the turbonator isn't good for something, well i can't say much it just didnt work for their car.
(btw its a little over 63% increase in mpg)(city) (note: a small increase was from a new air filter, which is the only other thing i did to this car after the turbonator)
so it worked for me, and my $50 was well spent.
i did some traveling recently and this is what i got.
274.0 mi. - 11.45 g (city miles) roughly 23.9mpg
270.4 mi. - 12.46 g (city miles) roughly 21.7mpg
343.4 mi. - 11.65 g (highway miles) roughly 29.8 mpg
so i averaged near 23mpg in city, and theres the near 30mpg on highway. which is a big improvement from my 19mpg(city) i had before the turbonator. this is not false, i havent noticed any hp improvement, but as far as gas mileage increase, i am very impressed on the results i got. so if anyone says that the turbonator isn't good for something, well i can't say much it just didnt work for their car.
(btw its a little over 63% increase in mpg)(city) (note: a small increase was from a new air filter, which is the only other thing i did to this car after the turbonator)
so it worked for me, and my $50 was well spent.
So do you work for them or something? lol...
fyi...
The fuel mileage increase is partially due to simply having a restriction in the intake. It is like having your throttle closed a bit more than normal, and since you probably haven't noticed the subtle difference, you probably push the gas just as hard as you did before.
So moral of the story? Just lay off the gas a bit more in your car than normal, accept that it doesn't help in a MPFI vehicle, and live happily without a cheaply made, and therefore potentially dangerous metal object in your intake stream 8)
fyi...
The fuel mileage increase is partially due to simply having a restriction in the intake. It is like having your throttle closed a bit more than normal, and since you probably haven't noticed the subtle difference, you probably push the gas just as hard as you did before.
So moral of the story? Just lay off the gas a bit more in your car than normal, accept that it doesn't help in a MPFI vehicle, and live happily without a cheaply made, and therefore potentially dangerous metal object in your intake stream 8)
i bonked its a 25% increase not 63% i divided wrong numbers. i dont work for them.and i usually floor it, so its not like i coulda done anything different anyway. (i like acceleration.) and if it didnt help then how did my gas mileage increase, because a simple changing the air filter isnt going to result in a 25% increase in mpg. also i never have to worry about getting objects into my engine, because there is a screen that is placed right before the mass airflow sensor before the injectors to keep big objects from getting through. and this thing isnt going to break very easy. i could hardly bend it to fit into my intake from my filter box to the engine. (they make it so your supposed to squeeze it in and it expands in there, so the metal is pretty sturdy) also i remember krix saying earlier to me that if these things really work then why arent they put in production cars, and i will tell you that they are. have you ever heard of Vortec, in chevy engines, that's all it is. and chevy has been doing it for quite a few years now. (oh also, the stock gas mileage on the buicks engine is approx. 19(city) 27(highway) so who cares if it doesnt push the same power if i can go farther on less. all i know is that it does work for me so im gonna keep using it.
Are you kidding me?????
Ya know, i seriously don't usually go after people (everyone here who knows me will say i'm very low key about things usually), but dude... you have seriously got to sit back, and read up some on how engines work, and even read up a bit on Chevy Vortec technology, and what 'Vortec' really means to a Chevy engine.
First of all, lets look at the Turbonator.... did you at all read what i said about it blocking flow, and basically being like having your throttle closed a bit? Did you know that if you don't hit the gas as hard, you don't burn as much fuel? Second of all, how is a single vorteX generator capable of separating a spinning vortex into 4 separate spinning vortex's without disrupting flow? Did you know that your TB is a flat plate, and straightens out the air flow anyway, even before this magical vortex field is created? Did you know that the injectors fire almost right on top of the valve, and the only way a vortex generation object would work, is if you had one on every port? Now, have you thought that its a dual port intake runner anyway, so the vortex would still have to split to be effective?
Now, as for Vortec..... did you know that there is no such item in a Vortec Checvy engine like what you have now shoved into your intake? The term Vortec is a marketing term that they use to distinguish two different series of cylinder head design and porting shapes... basically, a 'regular' TPI 350 shevy head is a 'factory stock' head... a Vortec head is what would be considered a 'factory ported' head basically. You can put a Votec head on a standard 350 shevy block, but you cannot swap intake manifolds.
Sounds familiar, doesn't it? well, it is sorta similar to GSR versus Type-R Heads... they both fit the same block, but one is ported much differently, and uses a different intake manifold than the other. Only difference here, is that Honda decided to not create a catchy name for the different port and intake manifold design... they just put them into different cars, and that is where they got their different names.
Anyway, i highly suggest that you do some serious reading on these things, and i DON'T mean listening to what your BoyZ think, and definitely not by reading turbonators website, where they have total control over what it says. Also, do more reading on engine theory. If you SERIOUSLY want to learn more, i have the titles of a couple of books here at the shop that are published by MIT that you could buy, and will give you a whole new realm of thinking about how the internal combustion engine functions. you'll learn terms like Helmholtz frequencies, and why these frequencies work. you'll see how using proper frequency tuning (which your stock manifold has already for its torque range) can make a manifold and intake package flow better than any little piece of metal could possibly make it flow.
later 8)
Ya know, i seriously don't usually go after people (everyone here who knows me will say i'm very low key about things usually), but dude... you have seriously got to sit back, and read up some on how engines work, and even read up a bit on Chevy Vortec technology, and what 'Vortec' really means to a Chevy engine.
First of all, lets look at the Turbonator.... did you at all read what i said about it blocking flow, and basically being like having your throttle closed a bit? Did you know that if you don't hit the gas as hard, you don't burn as much fuel? Second of all, how is a single vorteX generator capable of separating a spinning vortex into 4 separate spinning vortex's without disrupting flow? Did you know that your TB is a flat plate, and straightens out the air flow anyway, even before this magical vortex field is created? Did you know that the injectors fire almost right on top of the valve, and the only way a vortex generation object would work, is if you had one on every port? Now, have you thought that its a dual port intake runner anyway, so the vortex would still have to split to be effective?
Now, as for Vortec..... did you know that there is no such item in a Vortec Checvy engine like what you have now shoved into your intake? The term Vortec is a marketing term that they use to distinguish two different series of cylinder head design and porting shapes... basically, a 'regular' TPI 350 shevy head is a 'factory stock' head... a Vortec head is what would be considered a 'factory ported' head basically. You can put a Votec head on a standard 350 shevy block, but you cannot swap intake manifolds.
Sounds familiar, doesn't it? well, it is sorta similar to GSR versus Type-R Heads... they both fit the same block, but one is ported much differently, and uses a different intake manifold than the other. Only difference here, is that Honda decided to not create a catchy name for the different port and intake manifold design... they just put them into different cars, and that is where they got their different names.
Anyway, i highly suggest that you do some serious reading on these things, and i DON'T mean listening to what your BoyZ think, and definitely not by reading turbonators website, where they have total control over what it says. Also, do more reading on engine theory. If you SERIOUSLY want to learn more, i have the titles of a couple of books here at the shop that are published by MIT that you could buy, and will give you a whole new realm of thinking about how the internal combustion engine functions. you'll learn terms like Helmholtz frequencies, and why these frequencies work. you'll see how using proper frequency tuning (which your stock manifold has already for its torque range) can make a manifold and intake package flow better than any little piece of metal could possibly make it flow.
later 8)
John- I'm interested in those MIT books you spoke about. Could you list the titles? I'm sure other people here might be too.
I figured someone would want the info... lol. I was gonna post up about them anyway once i got back into the shop and could get the info off of them 
The books are titled:
The Internal-Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice - Volume 1
Thermodynamics, Fluid Flow, Performance
ISBN 0-262-70026-3
$48.00
The Internal-Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice - Volume 2
Combustion, Fuels, Materials, Design
ISBN 0-262-70027-1
$60.00
They are available through 'The MIT Press' of course, at www.mitpress.mit.edu 8)
Hope ya got a good stomach for extremely technical information. It is not layed out in laymans terms.
The books are titled:
The Internal-Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice - Volume 1
Thermodynamics, Fluid Flow, Performance
ISBN 0-262-70026-3
$48.00
The Internal-Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice - Volume 2
Combustion, Fuels, Materials, Design
ISBN 0-262-70027-1
$60.00
They are available through 'The MIT Press' of course, at www.mitpress.mit.edu 8)
Hope ya got a good stomach for extremely technical information. It is not layed out in laymans terms.
I am big on technical info like this, but mostly for electronics, computers, stuff like that. Not sure if I can stomach the engine stuff yet, but we'll see.ComposiMo said:Hope ya got a good stomach for extremely technical information. It is not layed out in laymans terms.
Sooo...What are you trying to say?ComposiMo said:Are you kidding me?????
Ya know, i seriously don't usually go after people (everyone here who knows me will say i'm very low key about things usually), but dude... you have seriously got to sit back, and read up some on how engines work, and even read up a bit on Chevy Vortec technology, and what 'Vortec' really means to a Chevy engine.
First of all, lets look at the Turbonator.... did you at all read what i said about it blocking flow, and basically being like having your throttle closed a bit? Did you know that if you don't hit the gas as hard, you don't burn as much fuel? Second of all, how is a single vorteX generator capable of separating a spinning vortex into 4 separate spinning vortex's without disrupting flow? Did you know that your TB is a flat plate, and straightens out the air flow anyway, even before this magical vortex field is created? Did you know that the injectors fire almost right on top of the valve, and the only way a vortex generation object would work, is if you had one on every port? Now, have you thought that its a dual port intake runner anyway, so the vortex would still have to split to be effective?
Now, as for Vortec..... did you know that there is no such item in a Vortec Checvy engine like what you have now shoved into your intake? The term Vortec is a marketing term that they use to distinguish two different series of cylinder head design and porting shapes... basically, a 'regular' TPI 350 shevy head is a 'factory stock' head... a Vortec head is what would be considered a 'factory ported' head basically. You can put a Votec head on a standard 350 shevy block, but you cannot swap intake manifolds.
Sounds familiar, doesn't it? well, it is sorta similar to GSR versus Type-R Heads... they both fit the same block, but one is ported much differently, and uses a different intake manifold than the other. Only difference here, is that Honda decided to not create a catchy name for the different port and intake manifold design... they just put them into different cars, and that is where they got their different names.
Anyway, i highly suggest that you do some serious reading on these things, and i DON'T mean listening to what your BoyZ think, and definitely not by reading turbonators website, where they have total control over what it says. Also, do more reading on engine theory. If you SERIOUSLY want to learn more, i have the titles of a couple of books here at the shop that are published by MIT that you could buy, and will give you a whole new realm of thinking about how the internal combustion engine functions. you'll learn terms like Helmholtz frequencies, and why these frequencies work. you'll see how using proper frequency tuning (which your stock manifold has already for its torque range) can make a manifold and intake package flow better than any little piece of metal could possibly make it flow.
later 8)
j/k
Moral of the story: You can always trust your doctor!
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