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If you speed a lot, the radar detector (I dont care what brand) is only a warning about 3 seconds before you see the blinky lights of the cop that just nailed you.

Radar detectors don't work to prevent tickets. Period. Just slow your average driving to around the speed limit and you'll be fine. I usually do around 5-8 miles per hour more than the speed limit. I stopped getting tickets and I've been radared plenty of times.

I was, at one point, a firm believer in using them. Now I see how stupid I was to put faith in the thing, thinking it would warn me before I got radared. WRONG. It beeps about 3 seconds before the flashy lights come on. By then the cop already has the radar locked and is pulling out to get you. When I had the radar detector in the car, I used to do 10-15 over and think the thing would give me plenty of warning in time to slow down to the limit before the cop could hit me a second time. WRONG. Don't put faith in them.

Bottom line, don't bother with it. It's not going to stop you from getting tickets.

Also, the forward and rear detection has been around forever, I don't understand what they're claiming to have that no one else has. It's old news.

I'd save the money for something usefull.
 

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I posted this in your other thread last week about radar detectors. I've almost always used one since I started driving, you definitely get adequate warning with the top end stuff. I would get the X50 over the V1, it's cheaper and the differences are really up to personal preference, but I prefer to have 100 bucks more in my pocket!

I've used many different radar detectors from Escort, and of course the V1. My best friend loves his V1, and I have a couple other friends with them as well. I always had escort detectors growing up, I'm pretty sure my family has had at least one of every model since they came out (no joke), Cincinatti Microwave called my dad when the X50 came out in blue to see if he wanted to trade up for it.

Anyway, last winter I tested my then-new X50 against my friend's V1 (about 2 years old). They were very close, it was usually imperceptible which would pick up first. The V1 picked up a lot more false alarms (X coming as K at distance), but with POP turned on the X50 is about the same with that, just with more annoying noise. I keep X turned off on all my detectors, it's pretty much useless (even according to the X50 owner's manual). At distance X can come across as K, which I noticed years ago when I used all bands, I would get K blips far away and then when I got close to whatever the source was it would go to X, this is most likely the source of false alarms.

Although I use the X50 in my CRX, before I had my car I lived with my friend, and just about daily drove his car with the V1. I know V1 owners say they can't live without the arrows, I understand that, you do get addicted to knowing where the signal is. I liked that a lot, and I also liked the size and style of the V1 (retro!) because it's less conspicuous and doesn't look like it's worth much to theives if you do leave it in the car. There are a few things I don't like about it. First off, it's far too quiet. You just can't use it effectively in a loud car, or with a loud stereo on. My CRX is very loud, and my friend's car is a 71 Datsun 240Z with a 280ZX turbo motor, not really luxury/cruising cars, but definitely something you want to have a radar detector in. I also didn't like the bright display at night, but that's not a problem with the concealed display unit. I don't like people behind me (like police) seeing the detector.

Like I said before, I have grown up with the Escort detectors, and I will continue to buy them. The X50 is much louder and more irritating than the V1, so you don't miss an alert. It has dim settings as well, and a dark mode at night. The concealed display unit is very small and easy to integrate into many cars (in my experience so far). I also like the display. The V1 will beep and tell you how many signals it's picking up, but the X50 will show them individually, with the intensity of each next to it (one of the display options). Though it does have a smaller profile, I don't particularly like the shape/size of the X50. My car has 650/550 springs (and it's a CRX ~2000 lbs), so it's pretty harsh, and when I hit the occasional large bump in the winter when it's cold, it's fallen right off the windshield. I think it's just so long and it's putting a lot of torque on the suction cup thing. Also, in contrast to the V1, the X50 looks like it wants to be stolen.

Also, last I checked, the X50 was considerably cheaper.
 

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I don't know what brand of detector you were using mithuth, but I get WAY more than 3 seconds warning with my V1, more like a half mile at least on the highway. I like mine, and I won't get rid of it, but I did not buy it to prevent tickets. I bought it because I like to be aware, I want all the info that I can get, and I also like gadgets. :p

There's a reason a V1 costs more than any other detector, it's simply the best one out there. Reference any "detector comparison" done in the last 20 years. For me, I wouldn't buy any other detector, they're junk and they won't help you.
 

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an x50 is defintely not junk. in my own independent test environment i determined that withi n 5 or 10 percent, they are the same in terms of detection.

the V1 has the fancy arrows, but usually when i hear beeeep i hit the brakes, i dont care where the beep is coming from. the X50 is also about 10 billion times louder then the V1, which helps alot.

for comparison i tried a wistler and a cobra? against my x50 and they sucked hardcore.

im glad i never got pulled over with 4 radar detectors stuck on my windshield haha.

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jfrolang said:
For me, I wouldn't buy any other detector, they're junk and they won't help you.
Mithuth must of been talking about all those 'junk' detectors.

I agree that detectors aren't needed. If you speed all the time, you are going to get busted eventually. Just watch for cops around town and mind the hot spots where patrol cars hide.
 

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mattminerDOTcom said:
Ragnaarok said:
Just watch for cops around town and mind the hot spots where patrol cars hide.
around town i do, the X50 saves me alot more when driving through flyover country or going to toms on the mass pike.

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It doesn't always save you ;)
 

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mithuth said:
Radar detectors don't work to prevent tickets. Period. Just slow your average driving to around the speed limit and you'll be fine.
X2... Just blend in with traffic, keep your eyes peeled and don't do anything stupid. I generally limit myself to 5-10 mph over, or a few MPH over the speed of traffic.
 

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I haven't used one in 15 years. I have found that being attentive and watching other drivers works better than a radar detector. I look ahead and watch for brake lights to flash on. That is my indication that there might be a cop ahead. Most drivers first reaction when they see a cop is to put on the brakes, whether they are speeding or not. This also applies to drivers with radar detectors, when it beeps they tap their brakes. I also check the rear view mirror a lot. If I see a car that might be a cop approaching I let off of the accelerator.
Another tactic is to not stick out like a sore thumb:
- Don't be the fastest car
- Don't drive erratically, i.e. don't change lanes a lot
- Don't stay in the left lane
- Don't tailgate
 

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-dont have a bright yellow front end and gold wheels

haha

Ill take all the help I can get. Thanks for mentioning that ticket buddy :p

I cant see if given the option why you wouldnt want one, you can still do all those other things too...

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mattminerDOTcom said:
I cant see if given the option why you wouldnt want one, you can still do all those other things too...

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Because all those other things are free.

I was thinking about it for the longest time but always found myself spending money on other things with my car. After getting my last ticket of 300 and driving school, ive slowed down. I dont have the money to spend to speed.
 

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good point...i guess cost is a reasonable reason not to have one. all i know is if it ever saved me from one ticket its worth it. even if im not speeding it lets me know to be on the lookout. and for that i will love and caress my sweet sweet x50

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I've only had experience with my X50, and it has definitely helped me be more aware. Not really of the cops lurking, but it's more of a flashy visual reminder to slow down in hot spots around town. Ive been cruising 10 miles over the speed limit in town by accident, and been warned to slow down by the detector. On the freeway, it has given advance warning of accidents that are being visited by NHP, and made me more alert of the other drivers who apparently don't see the long line of brake lights...

I dunno, I've been spared a few tickets with the detector, but it is no excuse to be speeding, even though I do it.
 

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I've got a V1 with the remote display in the stock clock location:



Other than maybe the Passport 8500 or whatever, I would rather have the V1 or nothing at all. I've ridden in a lot of cars with detectors that beep all over the place, but this one tells you exactly where the bogey is, which is crucial. Between that and the counter, there are a lot of times where you have a cop behind slowly fading away and get alerted to another ahead -- something that doesn't happen without those features.

I've also seen the range on some of the other brands out there. The V1 goes off so early, I sometimes wonder why I slow down so soon ;)

It warns WAY in advance. Sure, you can get lasered...but if you act like you are invincible because you have a V1, you're a fool. It makes you far, far less likely to get a ticket, and that's all I can ask for. If there's an obvious speed trap ahead and I can be reminded to slow down, that's perfect. There are always ways for cops to still nab you -- hell, they can sneak up and pace you with the radar off.

Nothing is 100% ticket-proof. But this is the only detector I have any desire for right now.

Downest, as for some of your concerns about the V1...obviously I am a fan of the concealed display. I don't need a cop or a hanger-on seeing that I have a detector, I'd rather go stealth mode. As far as volume, it isn't the loudest although I usually hear it even with the window down or the stereo up. That said, you'd hate to miss the one time it could save you. They do sell an external speaker setup, I don't know how loud it is, but if you figure a place to mount it where it blasts right at you (vent, headrest, I dunno) it couldn't be too hard to hear.

I've also considered tapping into the stereo system with splitters so that the alerts would come through your amps/speakers. Would take some playing around with volume settings and stuff like that, but it seems doable...and cheap.

I love the looks of the V1 and display, too. Looks about right for our quasi-vintage cars ;)
 

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Very nice stealth install.

Back to my post above. Even with all the FREE tips I posted above, I have managed to get pulled over. Usually because I ignored one of my own rules. For example, don't be the fastest car. I let a slow [donkey] get the better of me so I passed him... getting up to 85 in a 55... approaching the top of a hill. And who do you think came over the hill in the other direction... the police. Did he pull me over? You bet he did. But even if you get pulled over its not a guarantee that you will get a ticket. How you act toward the officer can pay big dividends. Be polite and respectful; this is free, cost you nothing and yet I'm amazed at how many people are disrespectful to the police. Also, don't do anything to make the police believe you are a threat to his safety. Don't pull over so fast that you cause the cop to have to lock up his brakes and try to pull over in a place away from traffic but out in the open, a parking lot is good.

I had a detector once and got more tickets with it than with out. I think people come to rely on it too much, be come complacent and then start to get tickets again. Or, they live in an area the gets many false positives and then ignore it after a while and stat to get tickets again.
 

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coz said:
Another tactic is to not stick out like a sore thumb:
- Don't be the fastest car
- Don't drive erratically, i.e. don't change lanes a lot
- Don't stay in the left lane
- Don't tailgate
Play shadow games. Make sure you aren't the car in the direct "lane of view" that most cops take.
Merge back into traffic when you are done overtaking somebody.
 

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jfrolang said:
I HATE all the beeping, so I just run it muted anyway.
Did you ever turn off X-band? I remember you mentioned it in a thread a long time ago, and when I found the instructions on how to do it, I PMed you.

As long as cops in your area don't use X, you're fine (some still do...but it seemed like 100% automatic doors and other false alarms for me). I'd rather know that the V1 is SERIOUS when it beeps, and having too many false alarms means that you don't trust it when it goes off.

I wish it was an option to make one of the city modes (small L or big L, if you have a V1) automatically turn off X-band, and the All Bogeys mode turn it back on. That way, you could kill X-band when you're around things that trigger falses (city) and turn it back on just in case you run into a cop that uses it (highway).

I've noticed a lot more falses lately from new cars. There are a lot of new SUVs and luxury cars out there with radar-based lane monitoring systems to keep you from rear-ending another car, stay in your lane, etc., and they can all throw a false positive that makes you think a cop is RIGHT behind you and locked on. Between those and cheap radar detectors, you have to get used to it and be able to tell when a car is triggering an alert.
 
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