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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby Baker » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:12 am

Tasos_7R wrote: I don't like the look overall, although it has very agressive aero spoilers that make it look "badass". But it certainly ain't a Type R.


I agree, very capable and comparable modern car, but to me it's too aggressive and high school racer looking.
It misses the mark of being a true R, in that older models were subtle looking and didn't go to far off from looking just like an everyday Civic or Integra.
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby AZCRXSI » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:37 am

I agree with what everyone has said as well.

From a numbers point of view, my concern lies with the CTR's specs. Yes, the bhp is impressive and the motor is supposed to be great and torque steer is gone.

Removing the argument that cars are always getting larger, we (as humans) are not gold fish. We can stop growing, but I was looking for the weight of the new CTR as compared to the Civic Si. For me, I always start with the chassis and then look at everything that is bolted to it. It is kind of my thought/expectation that the CTR would weigh less than the standard Civic? or the Si? Is that a stretch? For me, that tells me that some thought went into the car from Step 1 as opposed to throwing new dampers, larger brakes, a turbo motor and aero kit on and kicking it out the door.

Case in point...

2018 Honda Civic Si weighs in at 2,889 lbs.

2018 Honda Civic Type R weighs in at 3,117 lbs. (+ 228 lbs)
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby Baker » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:00 am

AZCRXSI wrote: It is kind of my thought/expectation that the CTR would weigh less than the standard Civic? or the Si?
Case in point...

2018 Honda Civic Si weighs in at 2,889 lbs.

2018 Honda Civic Type R weighs in at 3,117 lbs. (+ 228 lbs)


In comparison, based on some info I've found comparing the '96 ITR to the '96 GSR, you're looking at just about a 300lb difference between them, the GSR coming in at 2667-ish and the ITR weighing in at 2400-ish.
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby AZCRXSI » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:49 am

Baker wrote:
AZCRXSI wrote: It is kind of my thought/expectation that the CTR would weigh less than the standard Civic? or the Si?
Case in point...

2018 Honda Civic Si weighs in at 2,889 lbs.

2018 Honda Civic Type R weighs in at 3,117 lbs. (+ 228 lbs)


In comparison, based on some info I've found comparing the '96 ITR to the '96 GSR, you're looking at just about a 300lb difference between them, the GSR coming in at 2667-ish and the ITR weighing in at 2400-ish.


Exactly! :-)b Ok, glad I am not off base. I always use that as a guideline as it tells us work on a "Type R" started with the chassis/weight in mind.

I just found an article on the new CTR that lists the teething problems on the car:

- Overheating?
- Solenoid/harness issues,
- 2nd to 3rd gear grinding? Honda will not acknowledge the problem but there appears to be many people concerned about it as they swear they are not killing it. People say the prior gen or two of Civic Sis have the same problem with 2nd-3rd.
- Fuel cutoff to limp mode when you are running the car hard on low fuel and whats left in the tank moves away from the fuel pump. (1/4 of a tank has been noted as the start of the trouble zone)
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby AttackCRX » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:13 pm

AZCRXSI wrote:- Fuel cutoff to limp mode when you are running the car hard on low fuel and whats left in the tank moves away from the fuel pump. (1/4 of a tank has been noted as the start of the trouble zone)



I don't see this as an issue, more of a safeguard than anything. Last thing you want it the engine going lean (out of fuel) on boost. Seems like Honda is trying to prevent a bunch of warranty engines with that programming. 1/4 tank of fuel is getting low on the race track, since, after it all it is a "race" car.
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby AZCRXSI » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:14 pm

4drSpankR wrote:
AZCRXSI wrote:- Fuel cutoff to limp mode when you are running the car hard on low fuel and whats left in the tank moves away from the fuel pump. (1/4 of a tank has been noted as the start of the trouble zone)



I don't see this as an issue, more of a safeguard than anything. Last thing you want it the engine going lean (out of fuel) on boost. Seems like Honda is trying to prevent a bunch of warranty engines with that programming. 1/4 tank of fuel is getting low on the race track, since, after it all it is a "race" car.


Agreed. I believe the concern is that the car should still be able to operate at 1/4 of tank without shutting down. I dont know the specifics of the "spirited" driving level but... The question may revolve more around the 'design' of the tank so this does not occur until nearly empty? Dont know.
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby AttackCRX » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:18 pm

Saw a white one just today, which is the 2nd I've seen overall. Doesn't look as bad overall. Plus that Speed Academy vid about the new CTR against an ITR helped my opinion a bit.
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby tommy » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:43 pm

Give it a year, and everyone will be comfortable with the styling. With the gear grinds, temperature issues, and lack of volume in the US probably being bigger issues. I still think it's good to see them trying to do interesting things as a :-)b . I just don't know if I'd ever want to own one.
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby Baker » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:01 pm

tommy wrote: I just don't know if I'd ever want to own one.

That's where I'm at.

For the money, I'd rather have one of these...
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby AZCRXSI » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:07 pm

Baker wrote:
tommy wrote: I just don't know if I'd ever want to own one.

That's where I'm at.

For the money, I'd rather have one of these...
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In the same boat as you two... leaning towards nice to look at but no thanks.

Oddly enough, there is a guy a few blocks from me that owns an R32 Skyline. Cool car! This one appears to be mechanically sound but not as "shiny". Cool car indeed! Always stop what I am doing to watch it roll by... :-)b
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby tommy » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:40 pm

AZCRXSI wrote:Oddly enough, there is a guy a few blocks from me that owns an R32 Skyline. Cool car! This one appears to be mechanically sound but not as "shiny". Cool car indeed! Always stop what I am doing to watch it roll by... :-)b


How good is the security system in his garage? : :evilgreen:

For $35k, I can think of a lot of options I'd prefer, even if it were a new car. Besides, I couldn't deal without a moon/sunroof.
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby AZCRXSI » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:54 pm

tommy wrote:Besides, I couldn't deal without a moon/sunroof.



haha Exactly! I need something to stick my head out of...
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby Baker » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:34 pm

tommy wrote:
AZCRXSI wrote:For $35k, I can think of a lot of options I'd prefer, even if it were a new car. Besides, I couldn't deal without a moon/sunroof.


Luckily that Skyline can be had for just under $14k, and it does have a factory moonroof.
At nearly half the cost of a new CTR,since they're legal now, I'd save some coin and go for an R32.
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby tommy » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:05 pm

I would too. If it were the two, I'd definitely be more into the Skyline.

Though I'm hoping my next car can be a convertible or t top car. If I'm going to be middle aged, I should be acting middle aged. :rofl: I'd love to pony up the bucks for a stock-ish S2k in Midori Green Pearl. Yumm-o!
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby AttackCRX » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:22 pm

R34 or go home.
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby Baker » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:51 pm

4drSpankR wrote:R34 or go home.


5 more years and roughly $30-35K too!
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby tommy » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:41 pm

Nice spread in current Super Street (yes, I still get it - I need something to read when I'm doing lunch at the Bell, and then 2 hours later, for something else) in an earlier Skyline restomod. Much as I hate that term, it fits; it's a gorgeous blend of old and new.
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby Baker » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:00 pm

tommy wrote:Though I'm hoping my next car can be a convertible or t top car.


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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby AZCRXSI » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:02 pm

Baker wrote:
tommy wrote:Though I'm hoping my next car can be a convertible or t top car.


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Love love love the Z32 platform...
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby AttackCRX » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:01 pm

Baker wrote:
tommy wrote:Though I'm hoping my next car can be a convertible or t top car.


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You ever timed a twin-turbo 300zx? Or even work on one?? You won't like it so much.
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby The Stig » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:19 am

AZCRXSI wrote:
Baker wrote:
tommy wrote: I just don't know if I'd ever want to own one.

That's where I'm at.

For the money, I'd rather have one of these...
:-)b


Have owned several 32 GT-R's over the years here in Japan & UK too. They're lovely cars (& good investments now), but a really nice one isn't cheap. Only the rubbish is.

This one will be for sale soon, but I expect even in Japan it'll be worth $70,000 before anybody even considers exporting it to U.S. or elsewhere...

I prefer my CR-X, TBH. It's not always about power & speed. I like smaller cars myself...

ImageBNR32-307871(5) by Miguel Varella-Cid, on Flickr

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Very rare to see a 32 interior without fade to the seat material, bubbles on dash and UV damaged exterior trim (& very expensive to replace).
This one's all perfect.

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Tomei Genesis engine, Nismo R1 Turbos and lots more. One of the best examples left, I think.

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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby The Stig » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:21 am

Baker wrote:
4drSpankR wrote:R34 or go home.


5 more years and roughly $30-35K too!


That may be now.... NOT in 2024 when the first R34's become legal for the U.S. Super car money for nice ones in Japan now... :evil:
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Re: The New CTR :Thoughts & Opinions

Postby tommy » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:41 pm

4drSpankR wrote:
Baker wrote:
tommy wrote:Though I'm hoping my next car can be a convertible or t top car.


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You ever timed a twin-turbo 300zx? Or even work on one?? You won't like it so much.

GRM just had a great retrospective on the Z cars. That gen is my favorite of them all. A guy at the Y when i was out of college had a t top in red that I drooled over after our pick up b-ball games. I think I'd prefer the non-turbo, nice and simple, and without the tacky add ons on the exterior.
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