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crxedSir said:
Nice thread.

the only thing i would add to drum brakes is wheel cylinders.
I decided to leave maintenance out of this guide, I could double its length talking about rebuilding calipers and master cylinders, machining rotors, and the assortment of other common problems that brakes get.
 
Discussion starter · #45 ·
The ABS master cylinders are 1", you still need to match it with its own booster, but it installs the same. According to mattminer, a slight bend of one of the hard lines is required, just like I described with the Prelude MC.
 
Does anyone have experience with EBC Greenstuff pads AND Hawks HPS pads? I've been running Greenstuff for several years now and I love them, but they're getting expensive and difficult to find. How do the Hawk pads compare?
 
IBWiglin said:
Does anyone have experience with EBC Greenstuff pads AND Hawks HPS pads? I've been running Greenstuff for several years now and I love them, but they're getting expensive and difficult to find. How do the Hawk pads compare?
I've heard good and bad reviews about EBC Greenstuff. Majority have been bad reviews. Some stuff about the pads sticking to the rotors or flaking off. I've heard several people say they are too brittle. Google it or search on Honda-Tech, there's tons of info out there on it.

I've been doing some searching on the Porterfield R4/R4S shoes. Found some info on HT regarding the R4's (but pads) being used on Integras. They don't work well on the street and are race pads ONLY. They don't ever heat up enough to work well and instead chew up the rotors. Keep in mind that review was based on the pads, not shoes.

The R4S's however work well. The RS4's are also recommended on SCCA forums. General census I've seen is to either use Porterfield RS4's or OEM Honda shoes, don't waste your time on the cheaper AutoZone shoes, and then properly setting the drum brakes. Bellow are two quots from the SCCA Forums link regarding setting up the drum brakes.

Andy Hollis said:
Oh yeah, good point. Key to making the rear brakes actually work is rebuilding/lubing the adjuster mechanism, and doing intial adjustment to where they just barely touch the drum as it rotates freely (make sure to put a wheel on it when you check it). You know you have it right when the parking brake needs only a single click to go full hard.
bmwguy325is said:
Its all about feel. You can most likley hear it too. Like Andy said it just at the point wear it drags on the drum not so right it wears but just a lil drag

A good friend of mine ussed to swear by this method. He would replace all that needed repalced. Go to an open lot and back up as fast as he could and slam on the brakes real hard a few times.

It seemed to work.
Links:
http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=403430
http://sccaforums.com/forums/380933/ShowThread.aspx
 
Awesome thread, but I have a couple questions about the set up that I'm about to put on my HF. As far as I know car currently has si rear disks with the si MC and Prop Vale along with the stock HF front disks. I just bought a Wilwood 12.19" big brake kit( overkill I know, but I got it for a steal) and my questions are:
What proportioning valve should I use w/ the wilwoods and si rear disks? 4040 or use a wilwood prop valve?
What master cylinder would be best for this set up?
Since my fronts are still the OEM HF's do I have to swap the knuckles too when I put on the big brake kit?
 
'88SIvicrx said:
yuletak said:
jfish360 said:
Ya that was me. :lol: . Anyone wanna teach me about abs brakes? I mean i no they keep you from locking them up but is that a good thing or a bad thing?
ABS allows you to maintain control of your car by not allowing you to lock up your wheels. That's their main function. If you lock your wheels, you're at its mercy. If the wheels are still rolling, that means they have traction and you can at least do something with the car.
Dude, this was like the best 1rst newb post ever.
x2 :D
 
here is missing my brake upgrade!! i've found it surfing on the net and it works great, expecially since in Italy we haven't any DA integra to swap the hubs with...

i'll give you some info:
stock crx 16v(same as si) hubs
caliper and carrier from an s2000 or a civic type-r (stamped 16CL16VN)
VW Corrado G60 280mm Rotors (11")
Goodridge SS brake Hoses
Civic 15/16" servo and master cylinder
EBC yellow front pads
Roesch carbon rear pads

there are just some little problems, but nothing too difficult.
(note:calipers have been swapped left to right to put the bleeding nipple on the upper side.)

first problem: center hub of the disk is 2mm bigger than the crx, also the bolt holes are bigger.
the solution: small copper rings in the holes to adapt them to the honda bolts.
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second problem: while rotating the disck rubs inside the caliper.
(here you can see where they touch)
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the solution: someone has machined the disk to make it fit but i prefeared to work on the caliper.
(dremel is my best friend) :lol:
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and now pics of all the parts mounted
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and the space left under the EDM EG6's fat fives

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hope this is usefull for someone.. ;)
 
jfrolang said:
You've basically described the Fastbrakes 11" kit. It uses the same Corrado rotor, but only one hub-centric ring instead of four lug-centric rings, and a spacer for the caliper instead of grinding it.
really??
this setup is cheap enough and really simple. i used lug-centric rings because i've found no one able to made some hub-centric ones (less than 2mm thin and conic like the hub)

EDIT: looking at Fastbrakes kit, they use integra calipers, that's why a spacer is needed. S2000 calipers match perfectly the hub, the grinding is needed just for the tolerance when the rotors begin to enlarge due to heating under hard braking.
 
jfrolang said:
I would lean toward a 4040 prop valve and a 15/16" master.
Just as a follow I spoke with the people at Wilwood and they said that everything was made to work with the OEM CRX set up, so since I have the whole Si set up swapped into my HF it's good to go.
 
not to beat a dead horse here, but i have a larger 94 civic EX booster and master cylinder brand new... only reason im asking is becuase they are free. Will these work? I cant find any info so im thinking about just bolting them on and trying them out at very low speeds... Also, going on a SI knucke with SI calipers and rotors, potentially going to attempt the 11 inch rotor mod described here. Where can i find those lug centric or hub centric rings? Or would having prelude rotors machines be a better idea?
 
Discussion starter · #59 ·
speedjunky01 said:
Anyone know how the da knuckles affect the suspension geometry as far as alignment while the suspension travels up/down?
It's a slight difference in the camber curve. Nothing to really worry about, honestly.

headlesnorseman said:
not to beat a dead horse here, but i have a larger 94 civic EX booster and master cylinder brand new... only reason im asking is because they are free. Will these work?
I've heard that the 90-95 Civic Ex master cylinders are all the same, or at least compatible. I haven't confirmed that but give it a shot. If you swap the booster too then the MC will definitely bolt up, but I can't guarantee that the brake lines will line up perfect.

headlesnorseman said:
Also, going on an Si knuckle with Si calipers and rotors, potentially going to attempt the 11 inch rotor mod described here. Where can i find those lug centric or hub centric rings? Or would having prelude rotors machines be a better idea?
Fastbrakes.com sells the adapter kit, in this link with the rotors. They used to sell just the adapter kit (caliper spacers, concentric rings and hardware) separate, but based on a quick look at their website I didn't see it. I recommend the Fastbrakes kit over re-drilled Prelude rotors because if you ever need rotors, you can just walk into a parts store and get some. The rotors used are from a 90-91 VW Corrado G60.
 
jfrolang said:
Fastbrakes.com sells the adapter kit, in this link with the rotors. They used to sell just the adapter kit (caliper spacers, concentric rings and hardware) separate, but based on a quick look at their website I didn't see it. I recommend the Fastbrakes kit over re-drilled Prelude rotors because if you ever need rotors, you can just walk into a parts store and get some. The rotors used are from a 90-91 VW Corrado G60.
When I checked last he no longer sold the kit to fit g60 rotors, but used a different and heavier rotor that he drilled himself.

I do wonder if he still has the hub-centric rings though, that g60 setup above looks pretty nice.
 
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